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Neil Wyatt11/08/2016 20:52:52
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Posted by Bob Johnstone on 11/08/2016 08:48:00:

I think the term 'copyright' in this situation would apply to me trying to pass the blueprints off as my own design or copying for monetary gain. Making a free photocopy of them hardly constitutes infringement, but perhaps there's a lawyer in the house who could correct me.

Copyright is very definitely intended to stop people photocopying/scanning things and giving away free copies.

You are unlikely to get in trouble for something that is no longer available, but where someone is still selling the plan each copy you give away potentially deprives them of a paying customer -and they will have paid the original designer for the right to sell those plans.

Please don't use this website to distribute pirate drawings (ours or any other publisher) - the internet threatens to make the sale of model engineering plans unviable and in the long term the result could be that many rare designs are lost for ever.

Neil

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Bob Johnstone12/08/2016 11:37:44
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Then I stand corrected. IT seems you guys are more knowledgeable about the law than I. I withdraw my offer to share what I have for free. You can go buy them from the copyright owner. Life was so much more friendly in the 20th century...

Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:32:17
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I just bought a very nice Sanderson Beam engine of Peter Wares grandson on eBay. I posted a video on YouTube at

https://youtu.be/Mb6riiwkRRE

I also bought the planes from Blackgates.

I have done extensive research on the background of the Sanderson Beam engine. and have several links that might be of interest. There is a version of the full size engine in Germany Museum Industriekultur Osnabrück and another Model from a German model maker von Lothar Matrian. There are pictures of Eckart Kerchers models as well.

http://www.eckartkercher.de/index_seiten/frerichs.htm

One original UK full size engine was at the Frerichs Wadsworth, Springfield Mental Hospital.

Ther german full size is know as J. Frerichs & Co.: Dampfmaschine

http://www.albert-gieseler.de/dampf_de/maschinen5/dampfdet53041.shtml

**LINK**

Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:35:09
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I'll try to attach some pictures. eckart kercher

Die Frerichs

Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:43:52
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The , Osnabrück Museum is now researching how what we call the Sanderson Beam engine ended up in Germany.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Osnabr%C3%BCck_-_Museum_Industriekultur-_Dampfmaschinen_02_ies.jpg

You'll notice small differences between the German and UK engine. It is said that the original model was from a plate in Blackies publication “The Engineer and Machinist's Assistant”, 1840s. H. Clarkson & Son had designed their model after Plate XVII in volume 2

Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:44:30
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This research started with my purchase of the Peter Ware Model Sanderson Beam Engine.
It was easy to find 30 or more similar models on the web, but I did not find any similar full size engines.
The research proceeded backwards from my model to the present day retailer and to the original model designer H. Clarkson & Son which was made from the 1840s plate.
Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:44:40
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I had contacted quite a few British Museums and several passed my request on.
John McGoldrick (via a friend George )had seen a similar steam engine in "Stationary Steam Engines of Great Britain" Vol 8 fig 85. p132 Made by F.C. Baker in 1870 This was the first picture of an original full size engine of the same design which was in use at the Wadsworth, Springfield Mental Hospital, F.C. Baker
John McGoldrick suggest I contact Chris Hodrien at the ISSES (International Stationary Engine Society)
Incidentally the Sanderson Co. went bankrupt in 1844.
Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:44:50
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Surprisingly I ran across a similar model in Germany build by Eckartkercher. Eckartkercher referred me to the German model designer, Lothar Matrian.
Lothar Matrian Model was designed after a full size engine which is at the Museum Industriekultur Osnabrück.
Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:44:59
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The Museum Industriekultur Osnabrück has possibly the only existing full size engine of this type.
I am very grateful for help from two very knowledgeable people, Chris (R.C.) Hodrien and Adam Harris from Camden Miniature Steam Services

Adam’s set me on the path to a Blackies publication “The Engineer and

Bill Walton05/05/2019 00:45:28
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Chris (R.C.) Hodrien provided me with another picture of original Steam engine at the Osnabrück Museum.
My original quest was done, I hade had found pictures and two full size steam engine of a very similar design to the Sanderson Model, one picture from the Wadsworth, Springfield Mental Hospital and the engine at the Museum Industriekultur Osnabrück.
But I now had a new quest, how is it that the same steam engine design exists in two countries with no know connection?
Bill Walton05/05/2019 01:03:09
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Bill Walton05/05/2019 01:04:04
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Bill Walton05/05/2019 01:08:25
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JasonB05/05/2019 07:43:23
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Posted by Bill Walton on 05/05/2019 00:32:17:

 

One original UK full size engine was at the Frerichs Wadsworth, Springfield Mental Hospital.

Bill, on several occasions you use the name "Wadsworth" but the old Springfield hospital was the Surrey Lunatic Asylum located in Wandsworth and the engine in question made by Maudslay, Sons & Field. Not sure if it is still in the science museum.

Possibly three engines existed, the one shown on the Plates, The Springfield Hospital one and the one in Germany. As two out of the three founders of J. Frerichs & Co were English it is possible they had something to do with similar engines being in both England and Germany. All have unique featured but they also seem to share a lot of features particularly in the beam/column and brace.

Edited By JasonB on 05/05/2019 07:57:27

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