Hugh Gilhespie | 19/10/2011 13:38:41 |
130 forum posts 45 photos | Hmmm, construction costs of one simple beam engine? Well, materials around £100, equipment, say £3000, tooling, at least another grand......and so on, so say roughly £4000! Mind you, the next one will be loads cheaper - almost half in fact! And how do you put a value on all the fun you have. Regards Hugh |
Richard Parsons | 19/10/2011 15:03:28 |
![]() 645 forum posts 33 photos | Ian Parkin Thank you very much Ian for your kind offer. My daughter and my son in law live in ‘Blighty’ so I have no real problem in that direction. I wrote (incorrectly) The German distributers very often do sell direct to the public, they only supply ‘companies’. Their systems are designed to do this. It should have read that ‘German suppliers often do not sell direct to the public’ etc Wotsit, No I did not mention U.K. postal costs which are horrendous and often wrongly charged by the GPO. If the supplier is using a delivery service then they have a minimum parcel weight of 20Kgs . Up to 20Kg you pay for 20Kg. One of the reasons is the “1 tone or 20 cubic feet” pricing inherited from the shipping cargo trade. The other is the business of ‘airline security’ etc. I have used ‘Cab freight’ I pay the driver to pick up a package and carry it in the lorry cab, but it is tricky. Most of the wood yards in Hungary do not have any saws so they can only sell by the board length. I do not know if you have a copy of ‘Beau-Max’ in Arad. If so have a look. My local one has a glass cutting service and a small saw mill unit. The prices are high but if you want a small amount it is cheaper than buying the whole board. Silver solder I buy it here under the English description of ‘low temperature brazing spelter’. It comes in 1/8” diameter and is covered in flux. It is not cheap but it melts at about the temperature of ‘Easy-Flow 2. If you want a bit P.M. me I will see what my supplier can do.’ My big complaint is about the use of ‘local distributers’ and Zoning. Within the Zone the local distributor has a monopoly. Regds Dick |
wotsit | 19/10/2011 19:06:04 |
188 forum posts 1 photos | Hi, Richard, We don't have Beau-max in Arad, but we do have several large DIY warehouses of German origin (Obi, Praktiker). These are identical in layout and services to the German ones (I lived in Germany for 25 years), right down to the cutting equipment installed in the wood departments. Both stores will (sometimes) cut the wood to size for you (depends on which employee is on duty that day) - this is still a risky business - Romanian millimetres seem to be elastic compared to those on my ruler, so it is safer to specify the sizes as bigger than actually required. The clincher comes after they have cut it - you still have to pay for the whole sheet!. I found this out very shortly after I arrived here. Buying the whole sheet was not that expensive, but it was a b....r to get home, and I wasn't going to leave two thirds of the sheet in the store! - it explains why nearly everyone I know around here has a circular saw ![]() Buying planed 'dry' timber is even more difficult - you have to get an itemised receipt of what you bought - not a till receipt - they usually have to be written out in longhand by one specific employee (which can be a bit like the old joke of being sent for a long wait). Apparently this is to protect you and the shop in the event the police stop you on the way home - then you can 'prove' you bought the timber legitimately instead of stealing it. Green (highly suitable for warping) timber does not need this receipt - go figure!. Needless to say, they don't sell much timber. My experiences with UK postal charges have originated with the suppliers - I have had some really crazy quotes to send to Europe, compared with the same companies shipping within UK, so I get them to send it to my brother, who then trots down the local post office, and sends it simple parcel post - it has always so far worked out much cheaper - so my gripe is with the suppliers. When I have queried their prices, I have been told 'It is for post and PACKING, sir - we have to make sure it is packed OK and isn't damaged in transit', so some packing can cost a fortune, it appears (.....but not when sent from Germany, it seems). Perhaps someone in business can justify this? It is also possible to buy various solders here made by a German company called Rolot (I think they also sell in UK). They have many different types, for plumbing and other purposes, and there are several which are marketed under similar descriptions as you mention. The packages usually state the intended use, and give things like melting temperatures, but I have to say I have never had much luck with them - there does not seem to be anything with the characteristics of Easyflow. I did find one which appeared to melt at the same temperature as Easyflow, covered with a very pale yellow flux. I finally did get it to melt using an oxy/gas flame, but no way will it run into a joint - it looks like the legendary chickensh*t produced by novice welders. I usually end up ordering from a model supply company in Germany. Thanks for your kind offer - OK at the moment, but later would be good. If there is anything you think I might get around here for you, please e-mail. For sure people in the UK don't know when they have a good deal! |
mick H | 19/10/2011 20:28:52 |
795 forum posts 34 photos | The UK Postage and Packing industry is one of my hobbyhorses. As my daughter lives in Australia, the benchmark I use is the Post Office parcel rate to Oz which currently stands at around £6 per 500gm and usually delivered within 7 days. I don't like paying that rate but it is a bargain when compared with some UK suppliers who quite shamefacedly will charge a similar amount for a small itemdelivered in a jiffy bag and a 90p stamp. As far as possible I prefer to deal with those suppliers whose catalogue price includes p&p. |
Stub Mandrel | 19/10/2011 22:00:15 |
![]() 4318 forum posts 291 photos 1 articles | John says why not give guestimates of project costs? My crane (which may get in EE at some point) was from materials to hand,as it's nearly all painted, the choice of material isn't critical - MS, CI or alloy for the big lumps, ms for the smaller bits. I would guess about twenty to thirty quid for materials (I show how to make the base from two pieces so you don't need along length of 3" diameter), and then the long bits of 3/8" MS bar from B&Q for the jib (why do most suppliers do materials in 12" lengths?). The other cost is fixings, but I mostly made my own 8BA fixings from rod, so it was just a few larger ones for the base and a bag of 8BA nuts. <Meldrew> There are huge differences in cost if making stationary engines. Avoid gunmetal! I nearly died forking out for a simple oscillator from Reeves - about the same as I paid for a full set of Lady Stephanie castings eight years earlier. The basic Stuart engines are good for beginners as though a bit costly, they include the fixings, so no hidden costs. Personally, I like fabricating or machining 'castings'. The one time I made my own patterns the cost was modest (about £44 for a medium sized engine) but the wait of about 9 months was ridiculous! I won't mention laser cut parts, as twice I've ordered a laser cut flywheel only for it never to arrive (I give up after 9 months+). Fortunately the supplier want's cash on dispatch, but does he ever actaully sell anything? I'd rather pay up front if it meant my order got done. </Meldrew> Neil |
Richard Parsons | 21/10/2011 08:50:49 |
![]() 645 forum posts 33 photos | Wotsit. Your stuff with the yellow flux coat is probably the same thing that I use. I used to use my Siverts for silver soldering. Over here I noticed the flux (Borax) residues were Black after an attempted at brazing and caused the pickle to have a black sludge in it. I came to the conclusion that Propane/Butane we get over here was dirty. I bought a ‘Flamefast’ gas/air torch from the U.K. –hence the Hoo-Har about the compressor. This burns at a much higher temperature and burns off the impurities –no more problems. I bought some flux over there called Stellar s.r.l Flux AG1. In use it does not foam up like hydrated Borax you buy from the chemist shop. Can you tell me about thr Busses in Romania. In Hungary all citizens of the EU who are over 65 travel free on them. Is this the same in Romania? |
colin beighton | 22/10/2011 09:43:43 |
18 forum posts | Hi Richard. I have long thought that Hungary was the world's centre for all things crazy,but Romania sounds a close second. These stories are hilarious. Is there any chance of you and wotsit getting together to write a book. I'm sure it would sell well within this community. Regards, Colin. |
wotsit | 22/10/2011 14:55:33 |
188 forum posts 1 photos | Hi, RIchard, I think you might be right about the butane - so far, I haven't found anywhere to buy propane (everyone in our village uses butane for cooking, so it is no problem. I have also a small oxy/gas (MAPP?) torch which I use for small jobs. So far, flux has not been a problem - I have a precious small bottle of Easyflow flux, and a large box of Borax bought in UK some time ago. Re - the busses - first questions perhaps should be 'What Busses?' . There are international buses run by a company called Atlassib, which travel between Romania, Hungary, Austria and Germany - I am told they are very cheap and reasonably reliable, but I have never used them. We have some local buses, using vehicles which appear to range in age from ultramodern to (mostly) vintage. So far I have not had the courage to try one - it is not uncommon for them to be followed by vast clouds of diesel smoke, and they progress lopsidedly along (collapsed suspension on the older ones is not uncommon). Driving standards vary from crazy to lunatic. (I have been overtaken on a narrow winding country road by a bus when I was doing about 70kmh - I was too gobsmacked to accelerate away ![]() Because if all this, I stick to driving my car, or use a taxi (not expensive). International travel is not difficult - there are several lowcost airlines flying in and out of most European countries, and there are airports everywhere - we have international flights into Arad, and there is also an airport at Timisoara, about 50kms. The standard of the flights were generally good - when I first came here from Germany, I flew in and out several times to deal with house purchase, flying from Germany. I used CarpatAir and Blue AIr - Blue Air in particular was excellent. Colin - sorry, I can't see a book happening - life is too short - come and see for yourself one day - Romania has some beautiful places, and absolutely scorching summers, and relatively low prices - incidentally, I retired here rather than back to Britain, because I thought Britain was the centre for all things crazy - ludicrous prices, corrupt politicians and big business, high murder rates (how many people have been knifed in London this year?), a countryside disappearing under concrete and cars, high housing costs and taxes, and so-called 'Health and Safety' gradually killing off all interesting pursuits. I have a large house and garden here, plus a large piece of land (7000 sq metres) on which we are having a second house built - each house cost less than 50,000 Euro. (Oh, and not to mention high postal charges ![]() |
Richard Parsons | 23/10/2011 11:10:47 |
![]() 645 forum posts 33 photos | Colin - Romania is not even in the same league as Hungary for stupidity and pure pig-headedness. Hungarians do not like being told what to do and what not to do. If a foreigner tells them something, then that is to be totally ignored (or reversed). If you tell them not to do something it is a test of manhood to go and do it. Romanians seem to listen and try to do what you ask. Someone once said “There is no life outside Hungary, but if there is life it is not real life”. Someone else also wrote “The Hungarians are a race of (charming) children”. I am not so sure about ‘charming’ I find them lazy little toads. I am afraid my general specification of a Hungarian is overweight, over muscled and under brained. As to the stupidities I encounter I could write a book a day on them. Where I live 3 meters of elevation is considered to be a hill. It is rather like the Fenlands. The beer and wine is both good and cheap –if you avoid the tourist traps-. The summers are warm. So come and see it. The drivers here range from suicidal to homicidal. This is especially true since a Hungarian driver joined the F1 circuit. So I have given up driving. My car is a right hand drive and is now illegal in Hungary. Any way the busses are free so why pay for petrol. You can have quite an adventure with them. Wotsit I too have a large house and garden I built for my late wife. I do not fly if I can help it. I seem to annoy the men from ‘Rent-a-Goon’, I always have. Edited By Richard Parsons on 23/10/2011 11:12:58 |
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