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Thread: How they make a milling machine
11/05/2023 07:44:09

I have seached YouTube and Google but cant seem to find a video on how a milling machine (or even a Lathe) is made.

Anyone have any links please

Thread: No longer a free postage threshold at Arceurotrade?
10/05/2023 15:18:23
Posted by JasonB on 10/05/2023 15:15:13:

It took it as a general comment that anyone who wants something quickly is better to phone and pay DPD if their Royal Mail deliveries are not very good. I expect DPD is next day but RM could be when they feel like it.

I'm only getting 2 or 3 deliveries a week and that is inside the M25

Edited By JasonB on 10/05/2023 15:16:07

Spot on Jason.

I live in Newcastle upon Tyne

10/05/2023 15:17:50
Posted by JasonB on 10/05/2023 15:15:13:

It took it as a general comment that anyone who wants something quickly is better to phone and pay DPD if their Royal Mail deliveries are not very good. I expect DPD is next day but RM could be when they feel like it.

I'm only getting 2 or 3 deliveries a week and that is inside the M25

Edited By JasonB on 10/05/2023 15:16:07

Spot on Jason.

I live in Newcastle upon Tyne

10/05/2023 14:12:16

Where i live Royal Mail is useless.

If you want an item that falls below their DPD threshold, in a timely manner my advice is to not use their website and phone your order in a pay an extra £2 for DPD delivery

Thread: Warco WM18 Y Axis power feed project
14/04/2023 21:41:41

Fished control unit wiring

y10.jpeg

All i need to do is tidy up the external cables etc

y11.jpeg

y12.jpeg

14/04/2023 17:01:23

Wohoo, just finished the wiring and done a quick test, it works

14/04/2023 15:24:27
Posted by Rockingdodge on 14/04/2023 14:57:34:

Y axis? surely you mean the X axis which is the right and left travel?

Nope Y

I have the supplied Warco power feed on the X axis

Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 15:25:27

14/04/2023 14:58:20
Posted by John Haine on 14/04/2023 11:41:10:

As a matter of interest what is the reversing switch doing? It should NOT be in the wires to the motor because if the motor is energised (even if stopped) and you throw the switch the inductive kick from the coils may blow the driver. Reversing should be done by changing the logic state on the DIR input of the driver which only needs a simple one-pole changeover switch, or an on/off plus a pullup resistor.

Its done via the PWM

As this is my second stepper power feed, i know what i am doing

this is the wiring

wire.jpg

The push switches on the frequency generator board were removed and wires soldered to the points shown.
A double pole double throw switch with centre off was used to control the direction and on/off. Shown top right.
A relay was necessary because to start the motor the switch wires are opened not closed as expected.

Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 15:21:00

Edited By petro1head on 14/04/2023 21:38:25

14/04/2023 11:17:48

Got the belt this morning and its the correct size this time, YAY

belt.jpeg

14/04/2023 11:04:49
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:51:11:

Nice project !

I’m happy to accept that it’s a trick of the light, if you say so … but those timing pulleys look rather rough.

MichaelG.

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Ref. __ **LINK**

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 14/04/2023 10:56:18

Crap phone photo. They are nice

14/04/2023 11:04:22
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 14/04/2023 09:56:18:

Very good, and I'm tempted to copy it.

I'm doing a fair amount of milling on my plain WM18 at the moment and working for more than a couple of hours on it has rubbed my nose in its shortcomings. The machine a little low for my height, which gives me backache, and cranking the handles slows progress down and is physically tiring, leading to silly mistakes.

If the session is less than about an hour, which is usual for me, I don't feel the need for power assist, or get backache. Any longer than that, and motorising the mill would pay off. And it needs to be raised an inch or two.

Dave

I have raised mine for the same reason, stout wooden blocks under neath raises it about 5"

Thread: Warco WM18 - which Nema 34 for Z axis
14/04/2023 11:01:00
Posted by JasonB on 14/04/2023 09:05:49:

Might help others if you say what torque rating you fitted as the "34" simply refers to the bolt hole pattern & overall size not how powerful it is.

It was the 8Nm one

Thread: Warco WM18 Y Axis power feed project
14/04/2023 08:27:50

Have not seen the done to many Warco milling machines and have wanted to do this for a while. After I decided to replace the Nema 23 on the Z axis with a Nema 34 stepper motor I then had a spare Nema 23 and Controller for the Y axis project.

So, you need a Name 23 Stepper Motor, I am using the 3Nm one and the controller bought from Stepperonline --HERE--

I already have a power supply, 48v so going to use that. You will also need a PWM like this --HERE--, a change over relay, a double pole double throw on/off/on switch to control forward and reverse of the motor, a on/off power switch, a LED light (Optional) and some sort of limit switch.

I decided to go with 1 to 1 ratio pulleys and belt which I bought from CNC4U. So everything would fit I bought the 10mm pulleys.

Here is where I am up to today, I am awaiting the PWM and a replacement belt and the one I got was too short (Schoolboy error)

y1.jpg

y2.jpg

y3.jpg

y4.jpg

y5.jpg

y7.jpg

Thread: Warco WM18 - which Nema 34 for Z axis
14/04/2023 08:12:08

Well I have now fitted the Nema 34, much better, no stalling

nema 34.jpg

08/04/2023 10:42:24
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2023 09:54:35:
Posted by petro1head on 07/04/2023 21:32:52:

So, did some more testing and it still stalls, not as much but have decided to buy a Nema 34

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Obviously, I am guessing …. but I suspect that the problem is as much to to with the mechanics of the machine as the dynamics of the stepper motor.

I would bet that if you measured the torque very carefully you would find an initial peak, due to ‘stiction’ … and the poor ol’ stepper motor needs to overcome that before things get moving.

MichaelG.

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Brief explanation of stiction here:

**LINK**

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2023 10:01:44

I think you have explained it thanks.

I will report back once i have the new motor

I will also create a new thread re the Y axisvand i dont think i have seen someone do this on this sizevand type of mill.

Yet again cheers guys

08/04/2023 10:42:24
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2023 09:54:35:
Posted by petro1head on 07/04/2023 21:32:52:

So, did some more testing and it still stalls, not as much but have decided to buy a Nema 34

.

Obviously, I am guessing …. but I suspect that the problem is as much to to with the mechanics of the machine as the dynamics of the stepper motor.

I would bet that if you measured the torque very carefully you would find an initial peak, due to ‘stiction’ … and the poor ol’ stepper motor needs to overcome that before things get moving.

MichaelG.

.

Brief explanation of stiction here:

**LINK**

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2023 10:01:44

I think you have explained it thanks.

I will report back once i have the new motor

I will also create a new thread re the Y axisvand i dont think i have seen someone do this on this sizevand type of mill.

Yet again cheers guys

07/04/2023 21:32:52

So, did some more testing and it still stalls, not as much but have decided to buy a Nema 34

07/04/2023 20:15:13
Posted by John Haine on 07/04/2023 12:31:36:

How are you generating the pulses? If the stepper stalls on switch on it may indicate that it needs and acceleration phase. On my xfeed I use grbl for control and the acceleration comes for free.

With one of these - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325143354034

07/04/2023 10:57:14

Ok been doing some checks on my current setup.

The stalling happens when you first turn the motor on. The RPM is 253.

I can adust the Microsteps. Its currently set at 20/4000 steps/rev. If i change it to 25/5000 steps/rev it turns at 203 RPM and does not stall.

To be honest when i installed the stepper i did not fully understand what i was doing so guesed :0

So i am no wondering f i do need to upgrade to a Nema 34? Which will be quite expensive as not only will i need the stepper motor, a driver and a new power suppply (mine is only 6a and the Nema needs min 6a)

if anyone is interested i will start a new thread re Power Feed for Y axis on a Warco WM18

05/04/2023 17:49:03

The problem with stepper motors is, as the speed rises the torgue reduces. So you buy a 3Nm one but as i gets the revs up, say 1000rpm, the torque is now only 0.5Nm

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