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They are primarily for clock/watch lathes so think in terms of diameters around 1".
Safe way to hold toothed clock wheels when rebushing etc

"DE14 - source of Branston, Marstons, Marmite and my daughter. What's not to like?"

Proximity to Derby County FC ???

(nowt wrong with Burton Albion though)

At risk of this becoming an esoteric topic, Duncan W's comment needs support i.e. "Those of us in the north west will remember Greenalls. Horrible stuff. " Too true !
Greenalls had much to answer for, other than awful beer. They took over the Nottingham Shipstones brewery (see Nick Clarke 3's posting), changed the process & thus the product and later closed the entire operation.
For anyone interested in 'real ale', local brweries' products etc ~ there's a wealth of information here:-
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Then again, should there be any readers of Viz here, their comic strip "Real Ale T***s" is a salient reminder of not becoming too obsessed about beer.

Like "Nick Clarlke 3", I was weened on "Shippoes" and endorse his comments. A magnificent draught bitter if kept well. The Ferry at Wilford serving the best IMHO.
However back to the unexpected posting by the editor.....
I worked in Belgium for several years and acquired the taste for Belgian fruit beers in hot weather especially Kriek lambic. But not tried these new versions Neil describes and wont rush to do so. These days my preference is for the Czech beers such as Staropramen.

Trouble of course is taste in beer is likened to taste in women, seldom will 2 men agree on what is palatable.

"When you say "too high" you mean it's too low torque/too fast?"
Yes, that seems to have been the general view. Even notched back, it runs a little too fast and the throttle (regulator?), though true to scale, is hardly sensitive.

"There don't seem to be many stories about people taking the under types on longer road runs, which is something I'd love to do. Is there a reason for this, or just I don't look in the right places?"
I'll acknowledge ignorance of the law here regarding the taking such a model on the Queen's highway.

"One argument for a traction engine/showmans/roller is that they tend to have names, which is always helps convince the wife. Wagons tends to just be a wagon."
Not so surely??? Such wagons were often originally sign-written to high standards with their owner's name. The numerous photos of Claytons etc in the M.E. press over the years show personalised "companies". So you could "brush up" your sign-writing and adorn it with "Mrs PUFFAFISH ~ HOUSE RENOVATIONS LTD"

"No doubt the over types are very different to drive than an under. Can anyone tell me how much different? Are they harder to fire or drive or anything?"

Not driven a model overtype but the Clayton is fairly easy to fire with its top coal chute.
Actually driving one though presents a couple of issues:-

• The steering wheel is difficult to access and unless the builder has cut a 2-start thread on the rod, steering the wagon is a "slow" process.
• As designed, the gearing is too high. At least one article was written on how to introduce a reduction gear from the output sprocket to the differential drive.

(BTW - it was Robin Dyer who did the M.E. series on the Clayton in 1978/9).

Yes, the Clayton was a much less intimidating model to build for a 'new' model engineer with limited facilities leading to many examples being constructed. The build is relatively quick and materials cost realtively low compared to a traction engine or overtype road loco
Robin Dyer made many concessions to simplify construction. For example the prominent top of the big front, wrap-around apron should have a compound curvature but many builders just 'turned over' the top edge. Only later did Dyer describe fitting a feed water heater ~ not an easy retrofit; all of which which is probably relfected in lower sale prices.
Dyer's model was subsequently much improved by B. Lundberg's articles (M.E. vol 157). A Clayton incorporating all Lundberg's accessories such as brakes etc would command a much higher price.
The tractor unit of a Clayton can just be carried by one man (so inform your wife she needn't be involved in any heavy lifting ).

Nick, I appreciate your predicament. I ended up having to move my S7 alone after big son promised to help but then didn't. The S7 was on (genuine) Myford raising blocks and the bolts do extend down as Robbo states.
I couldn't though do as he suggests to remove them and had to lift each end of the bed, bit by bit, with wooden blocks until clear of the studs.
From that near hernia-inducing experience, yes ~ strip as much from the lathe as you can.
The motor is easily removeable (providing you can first get the pulley off the shaft !).
If you are having to do the job alone, and you don't have one then do consider borrowing or hiring a wheeled and braked hydraulic lift table as the bed + headstock assembly is still very heavy (too heavy ?) for a one man lift.
I considered moving the whole thing in our SUV but then thought about potential problems & damage lifting it all in and tying it securely. So hired a small van which also took the 'lift table. Cost of such vs. possible damage to SUV and ease of loading was worth every penny.

Try either Neil's suggestion or using M/soft Edge to load up "Pocketmags".

Adobe Flash has been repeatedly discredited for its vulnerabilities and Adobe will cease to update it by 2020.
If you are required to install Flash then be sure to do so only from the Adobe website. Their latest bulletins offer:-
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and......

"Security Bulletins Posted on August 14, 2018
Adobe has published security bulletins for Adobe Creative Cloud Desktop Application (APSB18-20), Adobe Flash Player (APSB18-25), Adobe Experience Manager (APSB18-26) and Adobe Acrobat and Reader (APSB18-29). Adobe recommends users update their product installations to the latest versions using the instructions referenced in the relevant bulletin."

Never throw anything away?........a local farmer agreed, as a favour, this could be stored "for a couple of weeks" on his farm. He tells me it looked 'as new' when unloaded. But now realises, after a couple years, it's been dumped on him as original owner has disappeared. I declined the offer of it. as being a little too large for model engineering purposes:-
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Hakon, most probably you know this ~ some definately, maybe all, of those Myford lathe tools were designed to use a Myford "boat".

The tool + boat was so that you could instantly adjust the height of the cutting point without needing shims.
However, it will of course alter the geometry to a small degree. The tools can be used without the boat using shims as necessary. New "Myford" boats are available on Ebay:-
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Re: " how long do you reckon does it take the average builder to put together the average live steam loco?"

A few factors (not entirely tongue-in-cheek) to further complicate a straightforward answer?
(1) Never clean up and restore lathe or milling machine to 'as was' before you've checked what you've just made. So many times have I done so only to discover later a cock up with the part. Time involved to remake item far exceeds original when having to retrieve & reset everything on the machine again.
(2) Having completed a series of components (e.g. cylinders & pistons), never pay attention to those who'll tell you that it won't last / work that way. For example *that combination of rings and cylinder will wear out in a couple of months". Otherwise, you'll spend ages cogitating on whether to stop & rebuild or carry on regardless.
(3) NEVER believe the drawings. If possible check websites for errors identifed by others. Special regard should be paid to drawings in construction series by Martin Evans.
(4) Resist reliance on the stated diameter of twist drills, slot and end mills. Doing so can lead to hours of wasted work. Similarly, don't use calipers to measure the ID of bores and turn a part to fit the recorded ID.
(5) If a small, newly made item falls from the bench, it's invariably quicker to make another than search for the original.

If I subtracted all the time wasted on such things, sadly often repeated, then the as yet incomplete loco might have been built in the proverbial "half the time".

Although this is with a M7, it shows what I think you're asking i.e. operation of back gear.

Begin the YouTube vid at 11'24" unless you want to watch it all.

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Exhibitions (and supermarket check-out queues).

In the words of Jean-Paul Sartre "l'enfer c'est les autres".
(Hell is other people)

I am pleased not to be in the business of magazine promotion and marketing !

Thinking some online research might be interesting……no circulation data for EIM, ME or MEW emerged viz. "Model Engineer - Nexus Media Communications - No longer registered"

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Quote ~ “..latest consumer magazine reports show a continued overall decline for print. To end 2017…..overall print circulation across the entire market fell 5%, while digital purchases grew by 3%....online readership for consumer magazines jumped by 37%”.
(Understandable I suppose but then like all percentages, questionnable).

Elsewhere an intriguing article from 10 years ago:-
“Magicalia’s magazine Formula revealed”
For its magazines with websites, 30% of revenue comes from online, compared to around 15% for most consumer magazine publishers. The company is keen on any hobby that involves buying kit, which explains why it owns titles like Model Engineers’ Workshop. A quarter of the group’s online money comes from customers who read a review and then click through to a retailer’s site to buy the product. The company receives between 5 and 10p of the sale price for any purchases made. The company ensures every review is matched with a product for sale. Each title bought from Gardens Monthly to Model Engineers’ Workshop is linked into a community website where enthusiasts swap photos and news, shop for kit and trawl through the product review archives. Enthusiasts’ comments and reviews make their way into the print title.”
(Companies House shows Mytimemedia was called Magicalia from 2006 until 2008).

Neil has posted “If you don’t buy the mags, they’ll disappear”.
Conversely if the mags are worth buying they won’t disappear !

True there’s no longer regular contributors such as Geo Thomas, ‘Geometer’, LBSC, Radford, Harold Hall, Bill Hughes etc and my opinion on what format & content would induce me to buy a hard copy is worthless in isolation. Instead market research and product differentiation is surely needed (a flavour of which is evident in this thread) or the magazines will go the way of Homebase, Maplins etc and countless defunct periodicals where the owners thought they knew best.

No criticism of Neil is implied; this forum is one of the best for frank exchange of opinions with little or no abusive response. I'd pay to access it if ever required.

""As far as GDPR is concerned, nothing seems to have really changed. In most cases, either you agree to their terms or you don't use their web site.

Now it seems 90% of the few websites I check regularly (thankfully not this one yet) don't allow you in unless you give 'em blanket agreement to shower you with cookies & pass on your details to 3rd parties "for marketting purposes". So yes you're right.
I'm aware Firefox has the 'delete history' button and Edge is supposedly sandboxed but I've long used the excellent & free "Sandboxie" for all browsing as well as isolating emails & progs. When finished, a couple of clicks empties the sandbox and none of the crapware gets past it. Easy enough now to OK on a website's "You must agree that we can dump what we like on your computer" and then clear the sandbox.
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Some years ago (can't be bothered to look up when), the editor-of-the-day for Model Engineer decided to include a pull-out, tick-box, 4 page readers' survey.
You were asked things such as "do you want more (or less) on making tools, visits to MESocs, etc?"
The eventual conclusion was something like "we seem to have got it about right".
Totally meaningless of course - it was a classic self-selecting population. If you were parting with your money to buy the magazine then you would feel "they've got it about right".
The ones to have surveyed should have been those who had cancelled their subscriptions.
Personally, I beleive the rot set in when it was decided to split Model Engineer into two - M.E. and M.E.W. It has diluted the interest there was in a single, all embracing magazine. Perhaps that is one reason why those 50s and 60s copies still fascinate.
(Unless of course you are trying to build a loco to a Martin Evans serial).

Jason ~ your Rottweiler looks to be in need of a good meal .

A good but controversial question !
No doubt to be dismissed by many as irrelevant though.
It's certainly a personal preference issue.

As for your first paragraph ~ I'd broadly agree with you. I certainly enjoy reading ME copies from the 50s (except for "Model Boats" stuff). Picking a 1956 copy of M.E. at random, the index page is personally interesting and the articles informative:-

Perhaps in your 2nd para you should add EIM to ME and MEW. I've restarted subscriptions to all 3 in recent years but then not renewed. There seemed too little to justify the cost - emphasising again - from my personal perspective. For example, over-long series on a build I'd never consider. Yet contributors such as Doug Hewson in EIM have provided most valuable advice during their long build series.
But I have great sympathy for the editors. They are essentially dependent upon the number & quality of articles submitted from the readership and this must have a significant impact on the attractiveness of the magazine.
On-line fora such as this one and websites provide much these days for model engineering and perhaps question the long-term future of the printed interest magazine.

"Does that mean we are soon to use OH2 or shall it be O0.5H ?"

It's "the pot calling the kettle etc" after my misnaming Neil as Mike above
so I must desist from pouring further scorn on IUPAC*.
Nevertheless a final few examples for us aged chemists:-
Ozone is now trioxygen
Glycerine is now propane- 1,2,3-triol
Acetic acid is now ethanoic acid
(iso)octane is now 2,2,4-trimethylpentane

*International Union of Pure & Applied Chemistry.