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Thread: [Project 4] Sine plate
24/05/2020 22:06:46
Posted by JasonB on 24/05/2020 20:15:14:

If you are not going to be setting it accurately you may as well just make an angle table and rough set with your digi box then clock it to final position. Add a jacking screw for easy setting, this sort of thing

In my mind, that's pretty much what I'm making, with the added bonus of being able to set out precisely if required.

Thread: [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder
24/05/2020 20:36:57

Turn the work 45 degrees - put it on its side.

Thread: [Project 4] Sine plate
24/05/2020 20:02:36
Posted by Martin Connelly on 24/05/2020 19:52:37:

Welcome to the world of sub-sub-sub projects. It may be worth thinking about annealing such a large plate before you start skimming the face and finding it curling up. Think large bonfire and leaving it to cool in the ashes. With such a large plate it should be possible to have extra clamps around the edge and remove and replace them as necessary to leave a clear path for the tool to pass while still keeping it securely clamped. Change clamp positions when the tool has gone past the end and before the next cutting pass. I would also recommend using packing under the plate where the clamps are before skimming the first surface to avoid any rocking of the face against the table. Nothing major, just needs to be strips of something with consistent thickness such as a bit of 16swg plate.

Martin C

Re-clamping was certainly an option, I need an excuse to make LP ones. :D

Will I have to re-temper after?

24/05/2020 19:55:52

I don't own any gauge blocks yet!

Although I suppose the larger the sine plate, the less accurate the stack needs to be?

Perhaps at this size the stack could even be machinable?

Thread: [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder
24/05/2020 19:52:19

Actually the bottom of the 'v's are quite blunt:

img_20200521_145633.jpg

That cutter with those inserts was just a quickly Googled example.

I'm sure you can pick-up sharper cutters.

Thread: [Project 5] Low Profile Table Clamps
24/05/2020 19:47:30

As some might already know, my facemill is currently out of service, awaiting new inserts.

So I thought I'd break out the virgin flycutter.

This is my first ever attempt - be kind!

So I ground what I thought would be a good shape into some 8mm HSS square bar:

img_20200523_141645.jpg

There is side and bottom clearance and a chip break breaker with a small rake angle.

The finish was, well, not great:

img_20200523_195023.jpg

You can feel every line with your fingernail. Not subtle either.

I tried messing around with speeds (180RPM, 280RPM) & feeds and DOC (0.1mm, 0.3mm, 0.50mm, 0.75mm).

Not great.

Looked okay whilst cutting though:

VIDEO: 180RPM - 0.30mm DOC (you have to click to play more than the preview)

Cutting deeper shook the house:

VIDEO: 180RPM - 0.75mm DOC (you have to click to play more than the preview)

24/05/2020 19:32:50

Another detour. This time from [Project 4] Sine plate.

I need (would like!) some low profile table clamps to be able to resurface stock too large to be held in a vice.

Taking inspiration from Harold Hall and Quinn Dunki, I plan to make something like this:

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Thread: [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder
24/05/2020 19:25:47

Detour: [Project 4] Sine plate

Thread: [Project 4] Sine plate
24/05/2020 19:23:39

This, like many of my projects I suspect, is a spin-off from [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder

This option was chosen because it seems the most sustainable i.e. it will be used on other subsequent projects.

I have, in my possession 2 x 32mm thick steel plates taken my old welding table. They're 90kg each!

I took a section from one of them using a 4" angle grinder!

It's around 400mm x 250mm (and weighs 20kg).

img_20200523_114242.jpg

The first task will be to square it up.

However, a couple of issues are impeding;

  • It recently transpired that my facemill has shoddy inserts
    • Currently waiting on new ones from Arc
  • I am lacking low-profile table clamps
    • [Project 5] I think! Sheesh, how far does the rabbit hole go?
Thread: [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder
24/05/2020 19:05:03
Posted by Martin Connelly on 22/05/2020 18:58:38:

Lee, did you see this by John Baron on the Cutting a 45 degree V thread page 1? There was also a suggestion somewhere to cut a narrow slot first then cut the vee. This is how some of the purchased ones I have had their vees cut (the slot that is, not the 45 degree cutter part).

Martin C

Hi Lee, Guys,

Whilst your picture shows one way of getting a 45 degree angle, its not a good way of holding work for milling. My recommendation would be to buy a proper inverted cutter and secure the work to the mill table properly. At a pinch you could use a 45 degree HSS or carbide countersink and take it easy with the cut.

I did see both of those posts, thank you.

Not overly keen on using a countersink for this.

Seen some 45 degree side cutters and was considering something like THIS.

I think I'm going to go for a sine plate, 'cos why not (and I think I'll get use out of it beyond this project).

24/05/2020 19:00:46
Posted by KWIL on 23/05/2020 12:36:45:

The block was held in a very substantial vice, initial 45 degree set by angle guage, then checked using contact probe at two points in vertical and horizontal plane. As said above, 45 degrees is 1 in 1 slope, so with zeroed probe you should get an equal vertical movement for each horizontal movement. If not you just have to tap adjust until you do, tighten and try again.

Only suitable for one off making not mass production.

Ah yes, I see. Thanks for getting back to me. I'll add the 1:1 technique to my toolbox.

22/05/2020 18:37:46

Ah, I thought 'block' was the holding method (like 'v' block). Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, that's what I'm after. How did you mount it at 45 degrees?

22/05/2020 17:11:10

Apologies Ken, but what is 'block'?

Don't suppose you took a picture?

22/05/2020 15:08:51

What was your method for cutting the 'v's?

22/05/2020 14:12:36

Sorry David, I'm not sure I understand.

NB: This is the smaller T0 size holder, right?

22/05/2020 12:48:42
Posted by JasonB on 22/05/2020 12:43:18:
Posted by Lee Jones 6 on 22/05/2020 08:21:14:

How does 0.1mm over 480mm sound?

As nobody else has answered from last night I get about 1/10th of that in X&Y eg 0.003mm in 140mm on a Chinese machine.

I'll go beat it a few more times with a rubber mallet.

It was dialed in until I bolted the head down.

22/05/2020 11:34:36

Yes, that is the plan. I can squeeze 4 in if I do it this way.

However, I'd really like to be able to cut the 45 degree 'v' slots on the X, then I could cut more at a time.

Still haven't figured out a way to do that yet.

Thread: What *should* a Warco Super Major Milling Machine be able to accomplish?
22/05/2020 10:39:22

Just to clarify, my original question was:

What *should* a Warco Super Major Milling Machine be able to accomplish?

... because that's the machine I have. I just want to know what it can reasonably do.

I'm not in the market for a newer, larger machine.

Thread: Milling a 45 degree 'v' slot
22/05/2020 08:23:48

I fear this thread may get off topic pretty quickly.

If you'd like to follow progress or get involved in further discussions, I started a thread over at:

[Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder

Thread: [Project 3] Dickson T1 Tool Holder
22/05/2020 08:21:14

Tramming the head back in to 0° (vertical):

img_20200521_192422.jpg

How does 0.1mm over 480mm sound?

So 1mm over 4800mm (4.8m)?

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