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Thread: Vintage Austin Brake Adjuster - The Denouement
16/07/2023 14:56:03

plate.jpgadjuster 2.jpgHello All

Thought you might like to see a few photos and it in place on the pivot plate and, this, hopefully, is how it's supposed to work. With renewed thanks to everyone who commented and advised, without whom I'd have probably have made a banjax.

Best Martynadjuster 1.jpg

Thread: Vintage Austin Brake Adjuster
12/07/2023 17:49:09

What it was Duncan, was that until you highlighted the fact that the main axis (segment) and that of the stud/lug were not that far apart, I was not clear as to how much off-set I might need and I was worried the jaws on the chuck I was using (150mm diameter I think) might not be able to accommodate it. That was silly. And as it happens, it didn't arise.

Thanks again (and everybody) for the most helpful guidance. Martyn

12/07/2023 11:24:08

Thank you, Stuart. This was my original thought - more or less. I now have two options. Making it in two parts is definitely simpler, but is not as it was done originally. But then, that doesn't really matter because it was probably a stamping job and certainly not machined. My nervousness about trying to make it as one piece centres on off-setting when there's such a disparity between the diameter of what will be the segment (41.5mm) and the button (about 13mm). As I said to Duncan, I've probably made an initial mistake in not using my larger four jaw that would have given me more latitude (sic). I'll let folks know how I get on.

Meantime, many thanks all. Martyn

12/07/2023 10:06:33

Got it, Howard. Thanks. The consensus seems to be, then, make it in two parts and forget machining as one piece. Fair enough.

Martyn

09/07/2023 14:02:20
Hello All
 
I'm wondering if you could advise me on this as I'm not sure how to proceed.
 
Some background. I'm trying to make a front brake adjuster for an Austin Seven with uncoupled brakes (I can't show you a picture because I don't have the part - if I did I wouldn't need to make one!) But for those of you not familiar with pre-1930 A7s the handbrake puts the front brakes on. There's no connection to the pedal which only applies the rear brakes. What happens is the handbrake lever tilts backwards a plate that pivots on the front chassis cross member. The brake rope or cable - there's only one - passes over the plate in two shallow grooves (one on either side of the plate). The rope is tensioned/adjusted/retained by the part I want to make. Basically it's a half moon with a groove round the circumference to seat the cable (5mm diameter). Integral with the back of said half moon is a stud with a lug/button on the end. The idea is a hole in the aforementioned pivoting plate allows the button to pass though then the stud slides up and down in a slot in the plate. There is a threaded boss on the top of the plate with a long bolt passing through it. Tension/adjustment is achieved by screwing down the bolt so it presses down the half moon. Tighten the bolt and you tension the rope, loosen it and you slacken the rope. Simples!
 
A few dimensions. The full diameter of the circle of which the half moon is a segment is 41.5mm. The half moon is 25mm deep in the centre. The pivoting plate is 2mm thick so the stud needs to be 2mm + x long to extend through
and as the slot is about 8.7mm wide 8.7mm - y to slide up and down. The hole in the plate is 13.75mm diameter thus the lug/button needs to be 13.75 - y
diameter to pass through. None of these dimensions are critical to +/- a mm or so.
 
At the moment I have 45mm diameter steel stock in a four jaw independent chuck on the lathe and have turned the 41.5 mm x 10 mm section. How do I turn the stud, lug? I'm thinking there's an analogy here with turning a crankshaft. The core of the shaft to take the main bearings must be turned on one axis, but the crankpin(s), off-set by the crank throw(s) need to be turned on a different axis as the workpiece is one and the same? How do you set that up?
 
I'm very, very sorry this has been so long winded, as I realise the answer for you all will be very succinct. But I did want to place an accurate image of the part in your mind's eye, especially for anyone who doesn't know the part. Sorry.
 
Best as Always Martyn
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Thread: Collector's Gem
07/06/2023 15:30:57

Hello Fellow Hobbyists

I am wondering whether anyone would be interested in preserving a very early Drummond lathe. My information is that it is No 7. I assume that that is its serial number, although not being familiar with Drummonds I may be wrong - it might be the model.

It belonged to my late uncle and is now owned by his son. It would certainly make an attractive addition to a collection of historic machine tools but is a viable proposition as a hobbyist's lathe. It currently 'lives' on the Isle of Wight.

If you are interested and want more information please contact Paul Leinthall-Cowman on [email protected] 01905 356482

Best Regards, as always, Martyn

Thread: Crown Tools
28/02/2023 17:00:03

Thanks for the extra comments.

I think the consensus on the simplest way to do this is to make ascending 'steps' (i.e. effectively tapers in both directions but in steps) using a narrow grooving tool, then blend them together with a flat file. That's what I'll do.

Martyn

Thread: Arbor Press
28/06/2022 19:02:05

John

Suspected it was like that; but most graphically expressed. Almost poetry. Thank you.

Thanks too Hopper for the toe tip. Not only bolted to the bench but bench bolted to wall eh.

Best from Martyn in sunny France.

Thread: To Cap It All
28/08/2021 09:46:03

Addendum!

As regards the thread - I've seen the major diameter expressed as 1.475 inches, which is about 37.4mm isn't it?

Martyn

28/08/2021 09:29:29

Hello Everyone

I wonder if I might pose a couple of questions and try out an idea on the experts?

I want to make a bronze vintage radiator cap (I do know I could buy one but they seem disproportionately expensive and I like to make things!)

I thought... if I bought a nut of the same thread as that on the neck of the header tank, I could turn off the hex on the lathe, mill a bronze replica of the original cap and solder or braze it to the nut. Simples! Job done.

However, I can't for the life of me, and after consulting every table I can find, determine what the male thread is. The major diameter is 37mm 16 TPI. Any ideas?

Now I acknowledge the proper way to do this job is start with raw bronze and cut the female thread on the lathe, but I don't feel I have the competence or confidence to do this, not least because there are a few fundamentals I'm unsure of.

I use a Chester Super B lathe configured for metric. Assuming I know the lead screw pitch, can I gear a metric lathe to cut imperial threads, as would be required (I guess) for the radiator cap. And if I can, and someone knows the thread I'm talking about, what change wheels might I be looking at.

Hope all this is not too bizarre.

Best, as always, from la belle France.

Martyn

Thread: Limp Probe Denouement
16/07/2021 17:01:40

Hello Everyone

I thought those of you who so helpfully contributed to the thread on the dangly probe on my new coaxial indicator might be interested in the denouement.

Jason thought, and I had also come to the view, that the reason it didn't work was a lack of resistance between the slot in the beam and the arm that holds the probe. He suggested the simple expedient of devising a way of increasing the pressure on the clamping screw. But of course, by then I had broken the arm!

So I milled and drilled a thicker replacement arm to create more friction in the slot. I had difficulty machining the 48° wedge shape (cam?) on either side that bears on the slope of the beam and my version is a lot less elegant than the original. But it does work and is made from good steel instead of some kind of 'monkey metal'.

I tested it at 100 rpm on the inside diameter of an Austin Seven piston skirt and got the needle on the indicator dial to quiver around 0.01mm of zero. I don't think I can do much better than that other than send for a Blake!

Bonne Weekend Martyn

Thread: Limp Probe
06/07/2021 09:27:54

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!

Of course, I've broken the arm!

But I did think that when I make the new one I could make it a smidgen wider in the slot on the beam, thus introducing a little bit of friction.

Again, of course, it would have been a much simpler ploy to shorten the retaining screw or introduce a tiny shim, had I not been so stupid as to think the person who put their undecipherable mark on the 'quality assurance chitty' had actually inspected the instrument and it was ready to go! You live and learn.

Thank you all and especially Jason.

Martyn

06/07/2021 06:55:15
Jason
If you remove what the literature calls the guard ring and pull down on what you call the 'vee shaped part' and the brochure the beam and me the crosspiece, everything works perfectly - there's tension, the hand on the dial spins and returns to rest when you release the beam or vee shaped part.
That's not the problem.
The problem is you can't tension the probe i.e. the part that holds the probe hangs limply down vertically however much you tighten the screw between the vee shaped part (beam) and what I call the arm (the bit I broke) and what you call the 'bit the probe fits into'.
Now - if you push the probe gently sideways in one direction, the wedge shaped pieces on the arm (I suppose strictly speaking we should call them cams) move the beam against the main spring and cause a reaction on the dial. If you push the probe in the opposite direction, in my case, there's no resistance at all after having tightened the screw between said arm and beam.
So, by my way of thinking there is no way you can take a reading with my particular instrument because, at the risk of being boringly repetitive, you need, in the case of an internal bore, to position the probe just outside the circumference - and for it to stop there - not flop back to vertical. If it did stop there - not flop back - you could gently ease the tip into the bore and would have an element of pre-load. Thus, when you started the mill, or turned it by hand, the probe would sweep round the internal circumference of the bore and give a reading on the dial that would enable you to manipulate the X and Y axes to centralise the spindle, which, is the point of the coaxial indicator is it not?
Am I missing something here?
 
Best Martyn
Thread: Window on the World?
06/06/2021 11:13:03

Thank you everyone for the comments, observations and advice.

I think what I propose should work without the risk of major explosion or conflagration.

I have a Lucas SR4 magneto which originally had a spring metal hoop on the side that you clearly had to press against the body to short matters out and stop the sparks. The person who rebuilt the unit dispensed with the spring metal (very sensibly, in my view) and has left me with a stud, washer and nut which is obviously intended to take a lead, that, I presume, will go to a switch with a connection to earth. Thus, again I presume, the switch will short the magneto to earth in one direction and leave it live in the other direction.

Another instrument I have is a Bosch ZA4 and that has a thin lead coming out of the contact breaker cover, presumably for the same purpose as the set-up on the Lucas SR4.

The magneto I'm concerned with is a BLIC N4R and although it has no external leads at the moment other than those for the sparking plugs, I clearly need to provide something very similar to that on the Bosch.

That said, if the aforementioned lead is connected to the side light terminal on my Lucas ignition/light device and another lead goes to earth, switching from 'off' to 'side', the original side/tail lamp function, should activate and de-activate the magneto....shouldn't it!?

Thanks again for all the valuable input.

Martyn

05/06/2021 07:33:30

Hello All

An electrical query if I may.

I'm sure many of you remember the Lucas ignition/light switches that were fitted to many British cars (and a few motor cycles) in the late 30s and 40s. There was a key slot in the centre and then a short Bakelite toggle that moved an annulus with a window to expose the words 'off', 'side', 'head' beneath (the posh version). Alternatively, there was a tiny arrow on the toggle that pointed to the words engraved on an exposed annulus.

Question is, can I wire just the 'side (light)' function at the back of the switch to act as a simple on/off switch for a magneto.

I know I can buy on/off devices from 'the usual suspects', but it seems a waste when I have several of the Lucas type on the shelf doing nowt. But will it work?

Many thanks for your thoughts and best, as always, from la belle France.

Martyn

Thread: My Dog Doesn't Bit
23/03/2021 09:11:49

Very many thanks everybody.

The maths is now clearer.

I think wear on the crankshaft-side dog (not surprisingly) is an issue, apart from the chewing (sic) the tips (points) are worn round unlike the nice sharp ones in the picture.

I also think the initial cutting on a milling machine, rather than sawing them, as I did, is acceptable. But I like the idea of finessing the shape carefully with a Dremel.

Tanks again.

Martyn

20/03/2021 18:25:12
Hello Everyone
 
I'm wondering if anyone who has done this successfully could give me a steer; my efforts have not been entirely successful? I'm trying to cut dogs on the starting handle shafts of Austin Sevens. This is the type that have a solid male on the shaft and a matching female screwed into the crankshaft nose - not the later type that has a large hollow dog on the crankshaft side to mate with a peg on the handle's shaft.
 
All along, by various 'sophisticated mathematical means' - eyeballing, protractor, paper and Sharpie, I've 'calculated' the slope of the two teeth is 20°. Though accuracy is impaired by nearly 100 years' burring, etcetera, on the pattern.
 
First off, I shaped the two teeth by sawing out opposing segments at the prescribed angle across half the shaft diameter then finessing with a file. But I found the bite on the crankshaft was tenuous and intermittent and certainly not nearly sufficient to 'swing' the engine - or even pull it briskly over for starting.
 
Since then, I've set-up the shaft at 20° in a swivelling vice on a milling machine
and cleaned up and sharpened both teeth with an end mill. It has definitely improved the situation and the handle will pull the engine over part way (possibly until it encounters a compression!). Yet, there's no way the starting handle would bite sufficiently to start the engine.
 
Any thoughts, please.
 
Martyn,
 
Thread: Vertex (V4?) Rotary Table
19/01/2021 07:13:31

Howard/Nick

Can see quite clearly now that the Howard route is the way to go.

I have been studying all the comments and photos and have now mastered the rotary table as never before. I find I can divide a degree to minutes. I'm still a bit baffled by the six division vernier scale! But that's really no 'big deal' as we seem to agree the Vertex is not up to doing seconds anyway.

Many, many thanks. Will try to post pics of the coupling when I get there.

Martyn

18/01/2021 12:22:05
Thank you everyone.
 
I've sent for the Laws book. It hasn't arrived yet ( Jan 27 estimated ) and that should also help.
 
Yes. This is still about the Simms vernier and I have come to Howard's conclusion that 20 'teeth' on one side of the coupling and 19 on the other is a solution that is simple and will make no difference to the performance. Or 20 teeth on one side and 20 on the other 'out of sync', as it were, with the first row, i.e. slightly stepped one side to the other.
 
I find I can get 19 divisions (as per the originals) on the direct indexing scale of my new dividing head to about a one degree discrepancy over the 360°. Certainly good enough for this purpose. However, I did think I might be able to split that one degree inaccuracy using the minutes/seconds facility on the rotary table. It's probably possible to get a division of 19° 3', but not the seconds, because, as has been pointed out, the device is simply not sufficiently accurate for seconds. Yet, even if you achieved a segment of 19° 3' (or whatever) you would always need to fit (or make!) a dividing plate to the rotary table to proceed and index and cut all the divisions. Thus, you may as well try to do it by indirect indexing on the dividing head, using it's own plates, in the first place!
 
Thanks again all. Take care.
 
Martyn
17/01/2021 14:58:55

I've got a Vertex rotary table. I think it's a V4 model. I've only ever used it to make incremental cuts (e.g. bolt circles) which is, admittedly, very easy using the main degree scale of the table and has been totally successful.

I'd now like to move the table through minutes and seconds ( to be precise 19° 3' and 12". I can't work out how to do this. Could someone please talk me through it in a Pooh-Bear-of-Little-Brain-speak?

Apart from the main 360° scale on the table I have 120 divisions behind the hand wheel (two hours?) and then six divisions on the inner scale (tenths of one minute?). So...wind on 0-19° on the main scale...then what...?

Also, could I ask, what is the pin/lever about an inch long that screws into the second scale ring for? All I can see that moving it ever does is reverse the direction of the table when you turn the handle (if you hold said lever it over!)

Sorry to be so basic. But guidance would be much appreciated and, as always, thanks in advance.

Best wishes and keep safe.

Martyn

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