How to lift head/column to insert packings.
James Hall 3 | 13/02/2023 18:20:18 |
92 forum posts 12 photos | Checking with an indicator confirms my suspicion that my SX3 mill needs tramming; shows approx 0.10mm discrepancy over about 300mm of table on X-axis and 0.02 on Y-axis. |
Brian Wood | 13/02/2023 18:27:19 |
2742 forum posts 39 photos | The Dore Westbury is a heavy beast but I found it easiest to slacken the four mounting bolts of the base casting to be able to lean it back and insert a shim. The correction was always to correct forward nod and that avoided the need to lift things |
JasonB | 13/02/2023 18:30:25 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Before mucking about with the column fixing are you sure the rotating head is set true as most of your error seems to be in X that is the likely cause. If you are going to shim the column then pull the dowel pins out first, loosen bolts and just push column to one side to slip in a shim. No real need to lift anything. If you want you can put some wood on the table, bring the head down so the spindle nose touches that and keep winding which will jack the column up slightly. |
James Hall 3 | 13/02/2023 18:47:24 |
92 forum posts 12 photos | Thanks Jason B. Yes, the locating pin for zeroing the head is far from precise, and I've been able to get rid of errors by tweaking the head rotation position in the past - but things have now gone beyond that - I know not why!
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JasonB | 13/02/2023 19:01:05 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Posted by James Hall 3 on 13/02/2023 18:47:24:
but things have now gone beyond that - I know not why!
The column/base joint is unlikely to have moved, look at the head gib strip and also set head rotation true without the pin so it trams as close to zero to the table. Then check vertical travel against a quality square. Only then look at column joint. You only need to get the column to move 0.2mm to get shims in so should not come up enough to affect mesh. Do make sure those dowel pins are pulled first as they go in at a slight angle and will make it hard to separate. |
James Hall 3 | 13/02/2023 19:39:04 |
92 forum posts 12 photos | Jason B: Ah, I hadn't thought of tramming the head with the locating pin removed, so that's a very helpful suggestion - having removed any misadjustment there I can proceed to check the column, as you say, with a known good square. |
Huub | 13/02/2023 21:38:07 |
220 forum posts 20 photos | If you have 0.1 mm misalignment over 300 mm, than using a 30 mm end mill would create 0.01 mm deep grooves. My BF16 has a head that can be set in an angle. I have to loosen 2 bolts and tram the head (X-axis) by a set screw.
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Clive Brown 1 | 14/02/2023 09:08:02 |
1050 forum posts 56 photos | Posted by James Hall 3 on 13/02/2023 19:39:04:
Jason B: Ah, I hadn't thought of tramming the head with the locating pin removed, so that's a very helpful suggestion - having removed any misadjustment there I can proceed to check the column, as you say, with a known good square. Tramming by adjusting the head is all very well but if the column was to be subsequently shimmed then the head would then be out of tram again. The column needs to be adjusted first, then the head. This pre-supposes that the machine has been manufactured with the spindle axis accurately parallel with the column Z axis, (which I would expect). All quite a lot of bother for small return IMHO. |
JasonB | 14/02/2023 10:02:11 |
![]() 25215 forum posts 3105 photos 1 articles | Clive, the OP says he was able to tram the mill previously so must have come out the factory OK. "I've been able to get rid of errors by tweaking the head rotation position in the past" Therefore unless the column has moved which is unlikely it is the head that is probably out be it rotation or gibs Edited By JasonB on 14/02/2023 10:03:01 |
Clive Brown 1 | 14/02/2023 11:57:52 |
1050 forum posts 56 photos | Fair comment Jason, but my point was that if the column is to be corrected, then that needs to be done first. To be honest, I wonder how much is to be gained by chasing these small tolereances with "hobby mills". I suspect my WM16B would show slight tram differences depending on the X- position of the table and where the vice was bolted down. |
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