First workshop

Hey Matt,

Yeah, the container is sweet I should have found a larger one to rent though. the site it's on is secure and cameras everywhere. I also have multiple chunky locks on the doors. I'd be impressed if anybody can get in there without being caught and the police turning up.

The landlords are great too. They're actually a lighting business so recently they've been able to hook me up with some LED strip lighting that I can control with my phone via bluetooth which is cool.

As for the daylight, its light enough in there I don't really notice, but with the doors open I get more than enough natural light and a pleasant breeze to boot! The insulation and paneling I have done should keep me in good stead for when it gets colder too.

I think the space you have, a window is pretty necessary as you say to remove that clostraphobic feeling.

As for travel.....

When I was looking into getting the Bridgeport, dimensions were obviously a very real concern of mine. Handily if you can get hold of the manual for the machine they will have drawings and tables documenting how much space is needed for travel, it's also a point to remember, depending on the kind of work you'll be doing, you rarely ever need the full travel of the x or y axis (y is less of an issue).

I would recommend acquiring (via download, or emailing the supplier) the manuals for a few milling machines and seeing what they document in terms of space needed and then pulling your tape measure out. I wouldn't just assume you don't have the space, you might be surprised!

Another idea you could look into is getting a Vertical milling slide attachment for your lathe's cross-slide. therefore turning your lathe into a kind of horizontal mill (using collets in the head of your lathe for mill bits and holding the work in the slide.). This would at least give you some functionality that wouldn't be available to you otherwise without taking up any of that valuable floor/worktop space.

Here is an example

And here is a video talking about them and showing them in use.

I briefly looked in to 3-in-1's myself. I came to the opinion that as I am not governed by space as much as you are I should get separate machines. Rigidity of those machines is a concern for me, but that would be overridden if I had the space constraints you do.

I think most import lathes these days have decent parts availability as they are just rebranded castings used by a lot of companies. Also, you are an engineer you could manufacture your way out of problems

Sounds like you are settling into your hobby nicely though! and already getting commissioned jobs!!!!

As for bench drills. I absolutely hate mine. It was under £100 and it's total crap. It doesn't make round holes (I shit you not). If you're going to buy one I recommend that you not buy cheaply.

A vertical milling slide is on my shopping list. I've got loads of milling cutters in my box of hand me downs so doing some basic milling on the lathe wouldn't break the bank. I think a 4 jaw chuck will come before that though, can't really dial stuff in on a 3 jaw with any degree of precision.

Thanks for your advice, I'll have a think and see what my budget allows. We were planning to move in 2 and a bit years to a larger place but given the climate we might be staying longer than expected! It's really impossible to predict at the moment.

Once we move I should have a full garage to myself, so I'm hesitant to spend lots of money on smaller machines if I can wait a little and buy bigger when I'm less constrained. I don't mind replacing my lathe as having it now allows me to get into my hobby more and learn some stuff. Hopefully I can find enough lathe only projects to keep me preoccupied lol

Moving seems like a novel idea in this day and age. I will never own a house, I am stuck renting and have a pretty sweet deal where I am at now. The modern cost of living sucks.

Yeah you definitely should get a 4-jaw scroll chuck. pretty much a requirement!

There are definitely plenty of lathe centric projects out there you can do to keep you occupied until you get your mill situation sorted.

I was just having a look at the arc website and came across this.....SIEG SX2PG Mill

It looks ideal for the space you have......

It's details....

So assuming the width does not take in to account the travel, you just add 330mm to the width, this is around 85cm (150mm of travel on each side) That is a very small footprint.

All the ARC machines tell you overall space required to operate, look at the last image of 7

If that is the case then you only need just over half a meter squared!

I would disagree, I have run out of X, Y, and Z, on the Bridgeport; grooving plates that are over 6 feet long, in stages:

Drilling a large plate:

When looking at the space needed for a mill you need to account for being able to actually turn the hand wheel on the table.

Andrew

I see you neglected the initial part of that sentence "depending on the kind of work you'll be doing".

Milling 6ft lengths regularly seems pretty niche for a Model Engineering forum

Edited By Rooossone on 14/07/2023 10:19:47

I agree with Rooossone, I doubt I'll be milling 1ft lengths let alone 6ft. I wouldn't even get material that size inside my workshop!

I'll have another read around about hobby milling machines and measure up my space. I'll probably need to shuffle my tools around a bit too.

Also, what do you guys do with your swarf, so far all mine is alu, is it worth keeping different metals seperate? Or should I just bin it?

Keep all the metals as separate as you can then you can take them to a scrapper when you have a load and get some £££ for it (not massive ammounts but better than just chucking it).

If you have mixed metals though you'll get next to nothing for it. I will have severral recycling totes for this purpose.

And you can call me Ross. I should probably change my handle.

Edited By Rooossone on 14/07/2023 11:43:34

It's just as well I don't regard myself as a model engineer then. Although I am building two 4" scale traction engines:

The motion work and internals of the cylinder are largely to my own design, based on the full size engines:

Likewise the gears, regulator, simpling valve and water pump:

i have made almost everything on the engines, including most of the nuts, bolts and studs, and the chains and all gears, the main exceptions being the steel boilers and rubber tyres. The 6ft long parts were the rear wheel rims before rolling and welding.

As for scrap I used to keep metals seperate. The local council tip used to have a big skip for metal, plus smaller ones for aluminium and copper alloys, but no longer. Some years ago when i had a lot of swarf (70kg of cast iron and 5kg of copper alloy) i took it to a scrap yard. I got about £40 but when you consider it was a 60 mile round trip and took several hours it made no economic sense. Now that I am not machining for work (which was mostly aluminium) everything goes in one box and gets taken to the council tip two or three times a year. Apart from anything else the seperate boxes/bags took up a lot ot floor space.

Andrew

I just wait for a scrap man to drive past in his van and give it and any scrap metal to him. Costs more in petrol and time to take it to a scrap merchant. Or if I have a skip on site I will put the sacks of it in that and let them sort it at the transfer station.

Yes 1m x 0.5mm would be about the minimum if you don't want to scrape you knuckles on whatever is either side. As Andrew says some additional working room either side should be allowed for and proportional to the size of work you do as it is a lot easier to have the room to start with than be faced with having to move machines about when you need to work on something larger. Like this little washer. Or when you have that 4" boiler of yours on the table to machine and drill the hornplate mounting stays

Many people will have a vice mid way on their table and maybe a rotary table or indexer at one end. I tend to have the 5C indexer to the right and as I buy most of my materials in 2f plus length often have material sticking out well beyond the end of the table. Power feed adds another 200mm to the left hand end.

Edited By JasonB on 14/07/2023 16:53:00

Hey Ross, I'll keep them separate for now. I'm quite lucky to live about 10 doors down from a scrap collector and about a mile from a scrap yard. I've been inspired by clickspring to have a go at castings some day, my dad used to work in a foundry casting ME parts so I want to draw on his expertise while I can. I figure the small amount I have can be pressed into pretty small containers.

Andrew they look great, I'd love to work on stuff that big but I think they have a larger footprint than my whole workshop! Part of the point of kitting out my shop was to move my work out of the lounge as it was starting to get messier (my better half was unimpressed to find me soldering on the dining room table)

Jason, that's a good point. I'll need footprint + working area. I caved in and against advice and better judgement I bought a cheap bench drill. I can't realistically afford a mill right now but I do need to make holes right now. I'm pretty sure I can move this one on when I upgrade and if I can't I won't too much sleep over it.

I think a portable bandsaw will be on my list too. I've just cut through some 55mm mild steel with a hacksaw and it wasn't much fun. I've got access to my brother's tools but he's a 2 hour round trip so I need to have a few jobs to make it worth going (outside of general visiting). Time to do some shim collecting for the rest of the evening (turning full beer cans into empty ones )

I decided what I wanted to build and then chose a lathe and vertical mill to suit. Ex-industrial machines, still in production, were choosen for two main reasons, apart from capacity. First, spares are available, albeit at a price. Second, there are useful accessories that simply don't exist for smaller machines. If I'd known how much other equipment I was going to acquire I would have laid the workshop out differently. Larger engines were an antidote to the day job (electronics engineer) where the components are now so small that I can't see them without a magnifier.

My dining room table has a number of marks where I have disassembled and cleaned items. But I have never soldered at the table. As a electronics guy i have a professional electronics workbench in the study. But, since I don't have a better half, I can do what I like in the house.

Andrew