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Pete Rimmer10/04/2023 08:40:06
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Posted by mgnbuk on 31/12/2022 12:25:44:

I don't know about Myford's production method for their leadscrews, but I do know that Boxfords were cut on a Jowett "thread whirler" - basically a thread milling machine - in the early '80s when I finished my apprenticeship there.. Broadbent lathe screws were made by a specialist company in Brighouse - Halifax Rack & Screw - who also whirl threads. Another of the suppliers I used in a later employment whirled screws for Parkson milling machines.

Nigel B.

They must have progressed in the '80's as the 1979 Boxford drawing I have for cross-slide screws certainly specifies a blank dimension for thread rolling.

 

Edited By Pete Rimmer on 10/04/2023 08:41:46

Neil Lickfold10/04/2023 09:38:14
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As you have a Myford lathe, it will have a hand wheel . This can be used if you don't have a thread dial to engage the halfnut at like zero . Older machines have a lot of backlash in the system. So reversing so that you have plenty of time to take up the backlash . I hold my hand on the carriage wheel to drag it and to take up the backlash in the system. Also make sure that you have the halfnut engaged at the same level. I fully engage the halfnut handle each time. There has been alot of good tips in this thread.

On my lathe as I added a VFD, I have added a microswitch that allows it to stop quite quickly . I have mentioned this as a 3phase motor and VFD allows for easy reversing and variable speed for other situations etc. ut something to be thinking about for later down road.

Steamer191510/04/2023 10:24:00
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Posted by Barry Dyson on 10/04/2023 07:35:06:

Hello Steve,

Thank you for replying to my query about Tumbler Gears on a Myford Super 7.

Have you ever considered (or actually made) your tumbler replacement gears with Oilite Bronze bushes in the bore?

If so was the inclusion of the Oilite bush effective in reducing heat build up at the tumbler gear bore under high speed (high RPM) application?

The reason I ask is that I recently acquired a relatively new Super 7 (that was held in storage for decades) and experienced a problem when turning the OD of a medium length & medium dia steel shaft at high RPM and while using machine feed rather than manual feed.
It is unfortunate that you need to run the Leadscrew to obtain machine feed on the Myford and therefore one or both of the tumbler gears needs to be engaged under load.
* However after turning for some time I noticed considerable heat build up at the bore of the tumbler gear.
- It is now evident (by gear removal and replacement) that the oilway to that gear was partially blocked by some of the original wax coating from when the machine was new and therefore that gear bearing was not receiving proper oiling, only partial oiling. Luckily no damage was done. However, I believe that if an oilite bush was included in the tumbler gears their bearing areas would not have heated up nearly as quickly as did the Tufnol material running directly on the steel Pin. Also, a suitable oilite bush of 5/8" x 7/16" x 3/8" long would add minimal cost.

What are your thoughts?

Since then I have thought about making a variable speed DC + Geared drive unit to rotate the leadscrew independently from the handwheel (tail stock) end and thereby eliminate the need for the gear train to be engaged at all when turning at high RPM's. Experiments in design and development of this drive unit will begin soon.

Regards, Barry

Edited By Barry Dyson on 10/04/2023 07:35:57

Hello Barry,

I haven't done anything along the lines of fitting Oilite bushes to the Tumbler gears. I see no reason to. I think in many respects you have answered your own question when you state that there was clearly a lack of lubrication.

I have done a lot of work over the years at elevated speeds on my S7 and never had any issues with overheating of the tumbler gears. Correct lube is the answer...

Best regards,

Steve.

ega10/04/2023 11:21:04
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That lack of lube may have been due to the use of grease rather than oil.

Barry Dyson10/04/2023 14:06:18
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Hi Ega, Yes use of grease decades ago could have been the cause of the poor lube problem.

Hi Steve,
I agree that proper oiling is working better now but don't agree that one should require the use of the full gear train to achieve a simple feedrate during high rev turning operations.
Also at high speeds polymer bearings are affected much more adversely from overheating than oilite bronze is on steel.
And running the full geartrain seems like too much overhead for such a simple feed requirement during high speed turning and facing operations.

IMO the real function of the geartrain is to deliver accurate pitches for screwcutting at much lower revs when less bearing (bush) heat is being generated.

Are you in the business of making and selling the 33T and 34T "metric" screwcutting gears as well as the tumbler gears? - I could do with one of each of those.

I'll continue the trial of a Variable Speed DC + Geared drive unit driving the leadscrew for an improved feed function when turning and facing at high RPM, - which is often.

Thank you,

Regards, Barry

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