sieg c2 motor

Looks much like my Clarke 1998 CL300M, although it is the shortest 10" between centres version I think mine is SIEG, serial number 91435.

Clue - for the date of manufacture, look at the supplied 3-jaw chuck, these often do have the year on, at least with older mini lathes.

Neil

Your machine was born at SIEG in 1996, serial number 1278.

At the time, your motor was sourced from an outside component supplier, and now it is produced in-house.

In theory, a new C2 motor should be an equivalent replacement. However, ARC's policy of non-return of electrical component spares such as this, still stands. Our reasons are based on a range of factors which we do not care to disclose - and we say this with the greatest of respect, pre-sale.

Secondly, if you purchase a hobby machine electrical spare as a B2B purchase (i.e. without VAT), it is considered to be a business sale of a hobby machine electrical spare - which is not rated or classed for business use, and additional exclusion terms will apply.

At the check-out there is a provision for EU B2B customers to place an order without VAT, by following the process stated on our website.

Once the order comes through, additional VAT checks are made, as, for security reasons, we only ship to VAT registered address. Provided this process is okay, and because your requirement is for a motor (or control board), ARC will send you an additional email asking you to accept our exclusion terms. Once you accept the terms by return email, the order is dispatched.

It may seem that ARCs policies on motors and circuit boards are a bit strong. These apply mainly to supply of such spares to customers who have not made the initial purchase of the machine from ARC. This policy is born out of experience. Whilst ARC is happy to serve and is grateful for such orders, it is difficult to ascertain parentage of such machines, causes of failure, and ability of person to fix such problems.

Many such 'broken' or 'damaged' machines have turned up in probates and auction sites, where the previous owner has either died, or put up said machine for sale for other reasons. The new owner purchases such a machine at very low cost, and wishes to fix it. In the fixing process, either a wrong motor/board is purchased, and/or damaged in the fixing process. ARCs prices are very competitive, but it is difficult for ARC to consider returns for these spares, as often it was found that such components were damaged upon return. As a result, this policy was born.

This policy may be difficult for some to consider. We understand and respect this view.

Keeping the above in mind, if npu finds difficulty in considering ARCs policy, or if he finds difficulty in going through the on-line purchase process, we understand, and we are happy to direct him to the other distributors mentioned in Jasons link.

Now that it is clearer that it is a C2 machine made by SIEG, npu can consider and make his choice for where he purchases the spare from.

Ketan at ARC

So mine was 1435 of 1999?

Would make sense it was an early 1999 machine as teh original chuck is marked 1998 and I bought it in Machine Mart as a customer return in 1999.

Neil

I would guess so.

Ketan at ARC.

Hi Ron,

Just for clarification, it is 'the label manufacturer' who asked his sub-contract manufacturer - SIEG to put the watts on the label as you see in the picture provided.

SIEG - the original manufacturer has always stated 'output' power as 250 watt for their original C2 mini-lathe spare part.

The 'manufacturer' in the picture chose to call it 400 watt, based on some kind of interpretation by him of 'input' power. Similarly, the 'manufacturer' - Clarke - Machine Mart, chose to specify the same motor as 300 watt. Neither state that it is their interpretation of 'input power'. Excluding Axminister-SIEG range, many of the other 'manufacturers' of these type of machines use the same 'marketing philosophy'.

Ketan at ARC.

Hi Ketan, it did cross my mind that the label could be based on input power, I know you always quote output power for your machines, it would be better if all suppliers did the same. My CJ18 (brushed motor) lathe is listed as 500 watt and a couple of recent tests have shown it to be not too bad for power but it wouldnt surprise me at all to find its output is more in the region of 350-400 watts.

Hi Ron,

Yes indeed, you are on the right track with your thinking.

Ketan at ARC

thanks Ketan, for the clarification and data on my machine. i was sure that the number states for a date of manufacture. regarding the return policy, i have no problems with this and i fully understand Your practice. however, this is an ARC politics and it can be discussed if it is the best one or not... i personally think that a politic which is more customer friendly will result in greater profit for the seller in a long term. but we all know that there are a lot of strange customers You have to deal with them... lidel in croatia have a practice to put a 3 year guarantee on all hobby equipment they sell- bring the tool and bill back, you get the money. i am sure that this is a wise marketing practice!

regarding VAT free, it will be a pity for me not to use this ability. i run a business, and a state provided me with this ability to purchase tools used for servicing equipment i use at work. a mini lathe is a nice tool, but this is a hobby tool that is not intended for prolonged use in metal working environment. when you push it hard, you see what happen (a boroken motor). i bought i bigger lathe for harder work, and the mini lathe will be cleaned and used periodically, it deserve a new motor for the years i used it..

hello Ketan

i tried again to finalize my purchase. i reached the step where i have to agree with "pay 178gbp now". i suppose i will be charged the full amount. i have not seen any place to enter my VAT number???

thank You for understanding,

nenad

"EU VAT: For intra-community excluding VAT sales, VAT registration details are requested on the checkout page."

You could give these people a call in Luxembourg - I have had brilliant service from them.

RCM S.A R.L.
2 rue Emile Nilles
L-6131 Junglinster
Tel.: +352 78 76 76 1
Fax: +352 78 76 76 76
Email: [email protected]

Their website is multilingual.

https://www.rcm-machines.com/de

(edited for URL)

Edited By An Other on 20/12/2018 19:12:24

hi Neil,

yes i have red this. i go trough the checkout, i select the card and i reach the "pay now 178gbp" button. as i understand, if i click, my card will be automaticaly charged the whole amount..?

i dont see any place for VAT registration details

Hello Nenad and Neil,

Just checked the process on our site for intra-community excluding VAT sales. The checkout is working for all EU countries, except Croatia.

I will check with our webshop providers in the morning to see if they can fix this easily.

Nenad, please send me a private message and give me your email address. You can send me a private message by clicking on the 'Message member' icon which you can see at the bottom of every post (once you are logged-in on this site).

Ketan at ARC.

Nenad,

Just sent you a private message reply, and also sent you an email reply. Please check both.

Ketan at ARC.

Nenad,

I believe that your order has now been dealt with by our team.

Also, the checkout issue on our site, specifically for Croatia, for intra-community excluding VAT sales has just been fixed. Thank you Nenad for bringing this to our attention.

Ketan at ARC.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 21/12/2018 14:51:15

Well that's sorted for the next 97 days then...

Neil

Thank You for your cooperation, and i wish You all the best in the new year.

nenad