John Reese | 14/07/2017 17:48:59 |
![]() 1071 forum posts | A man has a lathe. If the stud for the toolpost is too short. He can use the lathe to make a new stud. |
vintagengineer | 24/07/2017 11:33:26 |
![]() 469 forum posts 6 photos | I was always taught that a nut should be as long as the diameter of the thread and two threads of the male part should extend through the nut.
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David Standing 1 | 24/07/2017 16:32:29 |
1297 forum posts 50 photos | Posted by John Reese on 14/07/2017 17:48:59:
A man has a lathe. If the stud for the toolpost is too short. He can use the lathe to make a new stud.
Indeed he could, but in this case the stud isn't too short |
damian noble | 28/07/2017 22:56:23 |
![]() 167 forum posts 15 photos | Posted by Clive Foster on 12/07/2017 14:31:12:
There are good, albeit somewhat arcane, engineering reasons why its correct to have the tool post bore rather larger than the stud diameter with a short, top hat style, bush to both span the difference and apply clamping pressure. Its also correct to have a large diameter annular relief in the centre of the tool post base rather than making it flat. Typically the diameter of said relief is around half the length of the block sides. Probably the most obvious example of why this arrangement is a good idea is to consider fitting the post to an elderly machine whose stud is no longer completely straight and slide top no longer perfectly flat. On smaller machines it doesn't take much more than occasional careless over-tightening to pull the top slide surface up a little where the stud threads in. Due to the relatively coarse threads involved such pulling will almost certainly shift the stud out of perpendicular too. Relatively small studs are easily bent a bit too. Clearly if the tool post is bored a close fit on the stud and its base made dead flat it becomes very hard to get a firm, rotation free, seating of the tool post. Resistance to rotation being very important with a QC system because not only do all the loads feed to the slide via the post but also the tool tip is considerably offset from the post centre line so has considerable leverage. With the oversize bore and adapter bush at the top small deviations from perpendicular or small bends in the stud will tend to be pulled out when the nut is tightened down. Obviously the securing force will not be quite as great or evenly distributed as it will with a perfectly perpendicular and perfectly straight stud but small deviations can be accommodated in an adequately satisfactory manner. Similarly a flat bottomed tool post on a distorted or damaged surface may only have proper contact over a relatively narrow annulus surrounding the stud. Not good for resisting rotation as the contact area will be small and the tool leverage large. With the relieved base not only is the contact area much larger, even if the actual width is no greater than before, but its a lot closer to the tool tip correspondingly reducing the leverage. Even if the actual mounting surface on the slide is a little uneven, so not all of the available surface on the base to the tool post is actually in proper contact, the actual holding area will almost certainly still be much greater than with the flat base contacting only around the stud. Many folk, myself included, consider a thin washer of stiff card or aluminium alloy underneath the tool post gives a useful improvement in grip and allows a lower torque to be used on the mounting nut. Need a new washer every couple of years but thats no great issue. On some of the smaller machines high torque on a QC tool post mounting stud can distort the slide enough to impede its operation. Not enough to lock things up but can certainly destroy the nice even feel so important for precise work. Clive. Edited By Clive Foster on 12/07/2017 14:32:33 I have just been wondering about the top hat bush during the rebuild of a boxford 11.30 lathe. I never noticed when I stripped it but now I have cleaned all the parts and started to re-assemble I've noticed this in the photo below? Should it really be that much of a sloppy fit? Damian |
Clive Foster | 29/07/2017 01:03:19 |
3630 forum posts 128 photos | Damian That is far too slack unless the nut has a cylindrical extension to take up the clearance. I have seen one such arrangement. Nicely made but no idea why it was done that way. Presumably the man who made it had a good reason but it wasn't passed on to the new owner. Most likely the top hat was a hardened, professionally made component for a lathe with a bigger stud and it was easier to tun down a long nut than make a new top hat bush. Normally the top hat bush is made an easy sliding fit on the stud and in the tool post. Not rattling loose but an easy fit. The post is supposed to be held by friction on its base not by location against the stud. Clive |
damian noble | 29/07/2017 06:06:01 |
![]() 167 forum posts 15 photos | Cheers Clive The nut (battered nyloc) that came with it had a plain washer underneath it so no such arrangement. Looks like when I get the lathe up and running I will have to make something up to suit. I'm a way off so it will probably be the end of August before it's all back together. |
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