Martin Botting 2 | 23/10/2014 16:44:35 |
![]() 93 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Keith Long on 23/10/2014 14:45:01:
Martin - as well as the EN8 steel bevels that Jason has linked to above, HPC also do the bevels that you are after in Delrin link at much better prices £20 + vat for the pair. EN8 is somewhat overkill in your application, the drawing suggests brass (CuZn) in the materials spec with mild steel as an alternative. Given the application and likely speed that you'd be using I'd think that the Delrin gears would be adequate. If they broke down eventually then they have the advantage of being standard parts that could be replaced or up graded quite easily. Brass bevel sets in 3:1 ratio used to be very common as they were used in the final drive for slot cars, but I don't know what module or dp they were. They were also fairly cheap from memory, they might still be around, a bit of "Googling" could bring them to light. Could also be worth asking at your local model shop to see if any of the RC helicopters, cars or trucks use a suitable gear set. If so they are very probably available as fairly cost efective spare parts. Just found moulded delrin bevels for your application at Motionco price even better - cheap enough to buy on an experimental basis Edited By Keith Long on 23/10/2014 14:55:50 Thanks Keith for the leg work and again thanks to everyone for posting replies! I owe you all a cyber cuppa tea in the ether based canteen!
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Martin Botting 2 | 23/10/2014 17:03:14 |
![]() 93 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by JasonB on 23/10/2014 16:39:29:
Just had a look through teh PDF, quite an interesting project and a novel method of propulsion, have I got it right that as the blade rotates the pitch varies and that is what gives the directional thrust? Thats quite right Jason they are fantastic tools in the right hands and you can give it some wellie through 360 degrees you can wind on more thrust as needed and unlike conventional screw propulsion you don't have to wait for the engine to rev up. In ship towage the biggest danger is being "girted" where on conventional tugs the fixing point if about on the centre line at the natural turning point i.e. just slightly aft of centre. if the tow rope exerts pull to out do your thrust over she goes! brown trousers!. the towing point on a voith or "tractor" tug is right aft and if the ship starts to beat you all that happens is you follow it and not roll. My initiation with this kind of propulsion was a 15 minute chat over a cuppa and there get on with it! Needless to say my first job was one of lots of OOP's and Sorry! You can buy pre made models of this unit for about £150 but what I have seen of them they work but boy they are noisy in a model anyhow buying one where is the challenge in that? there were several ships like isle of Wight ferries had these in then around 1933/34 but come the war the parts were not easy to come by some red tape about not being a good idea having bits shipped in.. so were converted to standard screw props and shafts. same thing with Sulzer engines as they were built in Switzerland you could buy the bits but they had problems getting the parts out. Sorry for a rambling post. They don't let me get out much.
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Martin Botting 2 | 23/10/2014 17:06:11 |
![]() 93 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by JasonB on 23/10/2014 13:19:11:
HPC have them but make sure you are sitting down before clicking here Thanks Jason… I have just reminded myself what I had for lunch… |
Martin Botting 2 | 23/10/2014 17:09:02 |
![]() 93 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Keith Long on 23/10/2014 14:45:01:
Martin - as well as the EN8 steel bevels that Jason has linked to above, HPC also do the bevels that you are after in Delrin link at much better prices £20 + vat for the pair. EN8 is somewhat overkill in your application, the drawing suggests brass (CuZn) in the materials spec with mild steel as an alternative. Given the application and likely speed that you'd be using I'd think that the Delrin gears would be adequate. If they broke down eventually then they have the advantage of being standard parts that could be replaced or up graded quite easily. Thanks Keith for that my secondary education was not as good as I would have liked and if you had not pointed that out I was going to have a go at making them in common salt but realised that NaCl
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Robert Turner 1 | 23/10/2014 22:03:57 |
![]() 24 forum posts 15 photos | Does the Voith website still have the great simulator? If I remember right, there was a really spiffy animation of the system that showed you how you steered the boat by using a joystick. I don't know much about shipping, but I do know that the double-ended Halifax to Dartmouth ferries here in Nova Scotia have Voith-Schneider propulsion. They can sail in any direction, including sideways. When they reach the dock , they keep the props turning to force the boat against the side and end of the dock. That way they never have to tie them up and the turn around time is just a couple of minutes. way, way off topic for this thread, by my plan a few years back was to see if the VS system could be applied to a vertical-axis wind turbine. I drew up a complete 12" = 1 foot prototype on AutoCAD but never got the chance to make it. |
Martin Botting 2 | 25/10/2014 20:22:38 |
![]() 93 forum posts 20 photos | Posted by Robert Turner 1 on 23/10/2014 22:03:57:
Does the Voith website still have the great simulator? If I remember right, there was a really spiffy animation of the system that showed you how you steered the boat by using a joystick. I don't know much about shipping, but I do know that the double-ended Halifax to Dartmouth ferries here in Nova Scotia have Voith-Schneider propulsion. They can sail in any direction, including sideways. When they reach the dock , they keep the props turning to force the boat against the side and end of the dock. That way they never have to tie them up and the turn around time is just a couple of minutes. way, way off topic for this thread, by my plan a few years back was to see if the VS system could be applied to a vertical-axis wind turbine. I drew up a complete 12" = 1 foot prototype on AutoCAD but never got the chance to make it. Robert. I have seen that and yes its rather fun. The draw back with the voith system and controllable pitch props is they are always turning and the biggest worry for any tug man is the rope getting caught in it. they don't stop till the blades break or the rope or wire does. the son of my workmate was killed because of this fact on the woolwich ferry a while back.
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Nick Hulme | 28/12/2014 15:51:43 |
750 forum posts 37 photos | For CNC you don't need to convert, you just need a Metric POST! |
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