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Thread: Is Plastow 44T 6D.P bevel gear - 3" Fowler
22/10/2020 22:08:16

So it seems a 44T 6.D.P parallel depth tooth, Crown wheel, to the dimensions specified does not exist?

And as Jason says, on an odd number Crown wheel, the pinions will be in opposite positions which will match up with the opposite Crown wheel?

So I can use my plan of a 37T Crown wheel?

John

22/10/2020 19:50:22

Andrew,

"You need to set the outer DP to 6 and then work out what the DP will be at the inner edge."

Any idea how I go about this haha?

Regards,

John

22/10/2020 13:55:57
Posted by JasonB on 22/10/2020 13:41:01:

Bit here about cutting the gears and says 44T & 9T

Thanks Jason, unfortunately the article does not explain how the Crown wheel can have 44T and still be the correct size.

Regards,

John

22/10/2020 13:17:06

Andrew,

The design calls for 2 pinions exactly diametrically opposite.

Why does the Crown wheel have to be divisible by the amount of Pinions?

So I am only able to cut the bevel gears using the parallel method in Ivan Laws book. And using his procedure, 44T Crown wheel doesn't seem to fit the design?

Cheers,

John

22/10/2020 11:05:51

Bevel gears

22/10/2020 11:05:29

Diff unit

Edited By JasonB on 22/10/2020 11:44:35

22/10/2020 10:58:58

Hello!

I am just at the point of machining the bevel gears for the 3" Fowler.

I am using Ivan Laws Gears and Gear Cutting for all terminology and calculations.

I will be cutting the gears using Ivan Laws parallel depth method on page 106-111

Now H.R Plastow calls for a 44T Crown wheel and 9T Pinion both 6D.P.

This gives a P.C.D of 7.333"

The problem arises when you look at the distance between the backs of the Pinions. This is stated as 7.969"

Now the P.C.D can't be referring to a True Bevel Gear (True P.C.D of wheel as stated by Ivan Law page 46) as this would make the O/D of the Crown wheel far too small. It also can't be referring to Parallel depth Bevel gears (P.C.D of small end page 106) as this would mean the tooth face is only 5/16" long!

If I use N/D.P I find that 37T gives a small end P.C.D of 6.166"

This allows a tooth face of 0.86" and an O/D of 7.953, which is pretty much perfect for the Distance between the backs of the pinions.

My question is am I missing something here? Is 44T correct and I am being stupid or did Plastow get something wrong and my 37T is correct? I have seen the other thread referring to Bevel gears and ensured I Have changed the Sin to Cos where required but I still get the same result.

Help would be appreciated before I make a lot of cast iron mess!

John

Thread: Mechanical Lubricator - How much volume/flow should be produced?
01/03/2020 21:29:43

Hi!

3" scale Fowler.

Part way through building my 3" scale mechanical lubricator to H.R. Plastows design and just wondering what the flow rate should be?

At the moment it delivers 1 drip every 10 turns. I've included a quick youtube video of the test.

https://youtu.be/64AHnONUuIg

Thread: 3" Fowler DCC Cylinder
21/03/2018 14:12:31

I may invest but for now I just need a picture to show the top of the cylinder block so that I can see it in my minds eye

21/03/2018 11:21:20
I need some pictures of the inside of a 3" Fowler DCC cylinder block. Especially the top of the cylinder casting and the middle bronze plate. The drawings from Plastow are awful and I need some pictures or advice as to how the top of the cylinder block is machined.
Any help much appreciated.
Thread: 3" Scale Fowler DCC boiler upgrade
28/06/2017 20:31:40
Cheers Jason!
I've sent him an email to see if he wants to help me. I was always willing to pay for help though so I'll see what he says.
I will be rolling the shell yes. Although in my calculations is already a safety factor of 8.
I would consider a steel boiler if only we were allowed to weld it ourselves.
28/06/2017 17:04:22
Surely they would do it because I would pay for their services and help?
The insurance company said I have to find a Qualified boiler engineer to sign off the drawings though?
28/06/2017 15:55:48
Hi all!
So my 3" Fowler is nearing the point where I have the start looking at building the boiler. For the record I have no intention what so ever of having someone else build it, thus it has to be in copper, however, the drawings i have from Bridport Foundry by H.R Plastow give a working pressure of 110psi. I have been told on good authority by members of my local club that this isn't really enough for a compound engine and that 150psi would be a much better working pressure. I have asked Bridport Foundry and they don't have drawings for an uprated version of the 3" boiler.
I have done all the calculations as follows.
The formula given by K N Harris in his book "Model Boilers and Boilermaking" (recommended by Edgar Westbury) p.31 is as follows:

T = P x D / 2t or P = 2T x t / D

Where;

T = thickness of shell in inches which will be 0.187"

P = working pressure

D = internal diameter of shell - 6.375"

t = maximum safe stress of shell material in lbs / in2 (he gives 3125 lb/in2 allowing for a safety factor of 8)

Therefore:

(2×0.187)×3,125)÷6.375 = 183psi

Stays should not exceed a pitch = to

tx800
_____
W.P.

t = thicknes of inner firebox wrapper

(0.187x800)÷150 = 0.997"

Firebox stays should be twice the thicknes of the inner firebox wrapper.

The boiler tester at my club agrees with these calculations but the insurance company Walter Midgly don't seem to want to help me unless the boiler drawings are signed off, for 150psi by a "qualified boiler engineer". Does this mean I have to re draw the boiler with the new specifications and pay one of the boiler makers round the country to sign them off??
If anybody has any help it would be greatly appreciated.
Thread: 3" Scale Fowler DCC Road Locomotive
30/04/2017 19:09:38
If anyone is interested in watching my 3" Scale Fowler build, I have started a video series on Youtube. Have a look and have a comment!

3" Scale Fowler Road Locomotive Build:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZMqo8pn20lxkWq26dYwhYWs10RuFTjfv
Thread: Unable to find supplies of 3/16" copper sheet
18/04/2017 10:00:13
Hi guys!
So I'm just setting off on my new project a 3" Scale fowler DCC. The boiler drawings call for 3/16" thick copper. The nearest Metric size to this is 5mm and the nearest wire gauge is 6 S.W.G. I have trawler the internet and come up with nothing. Any advice as to where I can get the copper?
Thread: Traction engine tyres
05/04/2017 08:23:22
I'm considering getting rubber sheet in a 10m length to shore hardness 70 and then build the layers up to thickness using a vulcanisong glue and then trim to the profile.
04/04/2017 23:07:04
Sorry didn't mean the double post!
Do you know of anywhere that does rubber sheet think enough Martin C?
04/04/2017 23:04:57
Is there anywhere to procure just square/rectangle rubber sock? The price traction engine suppliers charge for a set of rubbers is in my mind outrageous!
04/04/2017 13:31:23
Is there anywhere to procure just square/rectangle rubber sock? The price traction engine suppliers charge for a set of rubbers is in my mind outrageous!
Thread: Name plates
28/12/2016 20:50:12
I have messaged you back John Haine!
I had a look at the letters on A Jack reeves but they don't look like raised letters to me Mick H.
The plates that John Alexander have made look very nice!
I will have a look into this photo etching lark...
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