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Thread: First Attempt at an Electronic Hipp Clock
29/01/2023 16:38:51
Posted by Martin Kyte on 29/01/2023 14:32:42:

Not in any way a criticism, you have without doubt produced an interesting timepiece but a Hipp clock?. I recognise you have titled it an electronic Hipp clock and omitted the toggle tag but I thought the whole essence of the Hipp Toggle clock was in fact the toggle mechanism of the same name. I realise you have to call it something so do we need a new name for electronically sensed, magnetically impulsed free pendulum timepieces.?

Maybe Pendulatrons ?

I’m sure someone has a better name but the variety of interesting new takes on free pendulum oscillators deserves a class name of their own.

regards Martin

The whole essence of the Hipp toggle isn't the mechanism itself, but what it is there for - which is to both detect the decaying swing amplitude of the pendulum and to trigger the electromagnetic impulse necessary to restore the swing amplitude, and therefore keep the swing amplitude within defined bounds. This clock uses sensors and logic to achieve the same end result, but with no mechanical interference to the pendulum - as did my own free pendulum clock, serialised in MEW last year (https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=171748 ). I suspect that if Hipp had been able to use modern electronic devices in place of his toggle, he would have done so, but in his day, he had little option but to invent a mechanical solution. That being the case, describing this (and my clock for that matter) as "an Electronic Hipp Clock" seems pretty reasonable to me.

Thread: Yet another Arduino clock thread!
27/01/2023 14:24:23
Posted by duncan webster on 27/01/2023 13:56:43:

If you had a second opto right alongside the centre one it might be possible to have a sort of quadrature set up so it knows which way it's going. Probably not worth the effort

I used a second sensor in my clock - partly for that purpose and partly as a means of determining the duration of the impulse.

26/01/2023 14:04:25
Posted by John Haine on 26/01/2023 13:36:34:
Posted by duncan webster on 26/01/2023 11:24:05:

I've got a memory rolling around that says Invar is very dependant on heat treatment, and that it has been known to spontaneously change its properties after time. Could be complete rubbish of course

Edited By duncan webster on 26/01/2023 11:24:38

This is correct, see:

https://academic.oup.com/book/9250/chapter-abstract/155957399?redirectedFrom=fulltext

**LINK**

Paper by Robert Matthys

Very interesting. The "free machining" variant would be most welcome!

26/01/2023 10:46:27
Posted by S K on 26/01/2023 00:24:58:

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 25/01/2023 19:10:02:

Ah but do you know which Invar you're getting? Several Invars available, and, depending on the alloy, coefficient of expansion varies from about 0.55ppm/ °C to 12ppm/ °C.

Invented well over 100 years ago (and winning a Nobel Prize!), "Invar", or "Invar 36" or "FeNi36" or "64FeNi" is 64% iron and 36% nickle. Fe-Ni has a single pronounced dip in the coefficient of thermal expansion right at 36% nickle, reaching about 1.2 ppm/C.

Moving away from that percentage quickly makes the CTE worse, at least if it's expected to perform over a wide temperature range. But if you restrict the potential operating temperature range, you can still do better a little off those percentages. Other similar materials are designed to match the CTE of ceramics or glasses rather than just being the lowest.

I bought mine (Invar 36) from McMaster Carr in the U.S., where it's currently about $45 U.S. for 1/4 inch by 3 feet or $92 for 3/8 by 3 feet, etc. Unfortunately, they don't stock longer than 36", so a second's pendulum was out.

It's a little gummy, and the threads I cut turned out a bit tragic.

Edited By S K on 26/01/2023 00:32:17

Anecdotally, Invar does seem to vary considerably from sample to sample. I came across a report somewhere back in the mists of time of a sample that had a negative expansion coefficient.

And yes, threading an Invar rod can be a less than satisfying activity!

Thread: Why are 3 phase motors with VFD so popular in the UK?
23/01/2023 17:55:41
Posted by Michael Cross 4 on 23/01/2023 17:50:11:

My original point was that changing speeds using a VFD is not a panacea and the view that it's a simple substitute for mechanical gearing is too simplistic, which I'm sure you agree with.

Absolutely.

23/01/2023 17:25:49
Posted by Michael Cross 4 on 23/01/2023 17:08:32:

My point is that:

you don't get the increase in torque that you would from mechanical gearing

Constant torque is one thing, but mechanical gearing increases your toque and adjusting the frequency doesn't, so for a given speed you end up with less torque if you use your VFD to reduce speeds than if you shift the pulleys / gears.

...all of which is consistent with what I wrote.

My view is that with a VFD you really do get the best of both worlds. Use the VFD to change speeds where that is convenient/useful/appropriate; where it isn't, you still have the option of running the motor at "normal" speed (where it operates at max power and max torque) and increasing the available torque by using the pulleys/gears.

23/01/2023 15:32:11

As John's link above shows, a VFD/3-phase motor setup will generate broadly constant torque below its "normal" operating frequency (60Hz in the example shown) and broadly constant power above that frequency. If you are wanting to maximise the amount of metal that you can remove, then you need to maximise power, so you want to be operating in the middle/right hand half of that curve, but for some other operations (as John observes) like tapping where torque is needed but relatively little power, then operating in the left half is just fine, and particularly for operations such as tapping, the speed control is very helpful indeed. I often tap at low speed under power in my ML-7 - haven't yet broken a tap that way.

Having had one of the first Newton Tesla kits fitted to my lathe for a good many years now, what I find in practice is that the variable speed allows me to use the middle speed range of the lathe for most of the work that I do, and that it is relatively rare that I need to shift pulleys up or doen (or engage back gear, for that matter).

Fitting a VFD to an existing 3-phase setup is significantly cheaper than other options for providing a 3-phase supply from single phase, so even if you plan not to use the variable speed option (always run at 50 Hz and change speeds via the pulleys) then it is still a no brainer if your mains supply is single phase only.

20/01/2023 22:11:36
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2023 21:20:19:

I think it must be “or what”

The advantages are very obvious, and the cost is realistic in the U.K.

… I have just started restoring [well, cleaning-up] a small precision drill with a lovely 1/4 HP 3-phase motor … no way I would change it for single phase !

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2023 21:24:07

I agree. The only mistake I made was going for a 1/2HP motor instead of a bigger one, but hey ho.

Thread: Simple PCB layout software
17/01/2023 10:33:20

It's a long time since I used it, but the last PCB layout package I used was "Easy-PC". I seem to remember that it was (as the name implies) fairly easy to use.

Thread: A prototype Lavet stepper motor
19/07/2022 17:53:57
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 18/06/2022 16:02:20:
Posted by David Heskin on 17/06/2022 22:34:51:

I'm following the electronic free pendulum clock articles in ME Workshop, but need to secure details of successful motion work before committing to the project.

To be honest and with respect, I'd much prefer a solid state digital LED display. I'm hoping that'd be easier and more reliable. Quiet, too. Can anyone advise how to go about it, please?

Well, Tony Jeffree is using BBC Micro:bit microcontroller, for which LCD and LED modules are available. Examples picked randomly off the web from the Kitronics Web Shop:

https://kitronik.co.uk/collections/accessories-for-the-bbc-micro-bit/products/5650-view-text32-lcd-screen-for-the-bbc-micro-bit

https://kitronik.co.uk/collections/accessories-for-the-bbc-micro-bit/products/46138-7-segment-for-microbit

This chap documents a Micro:bit and LCD display coded to be a stopwatch, not complicated and a reasonable start point. The software part is done with a graphical Blocks language called 'MakeCode', lots more examples and tutorials here.

Tony hasn't shared his code yet, but in principle, however he's done it, it will be possible to add digital clock functionality. Basically a clock display just counts pendulum pulses, and, knowing how long they each take in seconds, uses them to increment a counter working in HH:MM. The main complication is the code needed to set HH:MM to local time in the first place.

Also possible to program another microcontroller as a separate HH:MM clock ticked by the pendulum. The advantage is avoiding the need to understand and modify Tony's code, which might be time critical or otherwise tricky to modify. (Probably won't be.)

I'd use an Arduino for this, but only because I'm familiar with programming them and have never seen a Micro:bit in the flesh!

Dave

 

 

 

Hi Dave

The code is actually pretty trivial, especially when you see it in the "block code" format. It is printed in part 3 of the series (just out) but unfortunately it is a bit of an eye chart, so I have uploaded Photo 21 and Photo 27 (the two block code programmes from the article) to one of my albums so people can access it more easily. Also inserted below.

In principle you could indeed extend the code to allow a digital display and I did consider doing just that, but as you rightly observe, the issue isn't displaying the current time, it is setting the initial time, which takes much more effort. Not clear to me whether this would tax the capacity (memory-wise) of the micro:bit but it could easily be off-loaded to a second processor if need be.

photo 21.jpg

photo 27.jpg

Edited By Tony Jeffree on 19/07/2022 17:54:55

Thread: Covid Scam
03/03/2022 10:41:53
Posted by Dave Halford on 01/03/2022 15:12:26:

Just been pinged by this one myself.

The link is not to a .gov website, which it would be.

That's a dead giveaway - if it was from a credible source the suffix would be .gov

We've had a few of these - they go straight in the bit bucket.

Thread: ML7 Spindle Lock
11/01/2022 17:37:18

Nope.

11/01/2022 16:25:11

It's well tough enough for that job. In fact, there were some pics of printed change gears posted the other day that seem to work.

Edited By Tony Jeffree on 11/01/2022 16:26:55

11/01/2022 16:09:56

On the Facebook ML7 group Addison Gray has posted a link to Thingiverse for a ML7 bull-wheel spindle lock design, in two forms:

Here

and in wrench form:

Here

Haven't printed these ones out yet, will do so this afternoon, but thought it may be of interest. I have printed out a similar design posted by Addison in the FB group which works very well.

Thread: Snapmaker - anyone use one?
10/01/2022 21:32:18

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Edited By Tony Jeffree on 10/01/2022 21:33:00

10/01/2022 21:32:11

True.

09/01/2022 15:40:11
Posted by Peter Greene on 08/01/2022 17:34:36:

OTOH, if you want all three machines, it makes sense to build one device to the highest common denominator and save the room .... and possibly some money (not that that is a given).

Indeed. The most practical combination would probably be router and laser.

09/01/2022 15:34:57
Posted by mgnbuk on 09/01/2022 12:18:44:

I had not heard of these, so had dig around - there is a pretty comprehensive review here

Like most multi function machines it appears compromised in all it's functions to some degree but, depending on your requirements, may be "good enough" at all of them.

The €1800 price tag quoted for the largest size machine reviwed would be enough to put me off, though, given it's limited machining capabilities & low powered laser - which really requires another €600 spending to safely enclose it if you value your eyesight . The review concludes that, unless space is an issue, 3 separate machines would offer more capabilty for much the same (or less) outlay.

The modular linear motion units are a neat solution.

Nigel B.

Thanks for the link Nigel - an interesting review. I would agree that ideally, you would go for 3 separate machines, but there are circumstances where that isn't a practical solution, so as always it is horses for courses. The price tag is a tad on the high side I must admit!

Tony J.

08/01/2022 12:13:17
Posted by Bazyle on 07/01/2022 20:28:58:

Conflicting requirements really. A 3D printer is preferably fairly quick which is possible because it needs little force to move the head whereas routing, even wood, needs force and rigidity. Not sure about lasers but I don't think 1.6W will melt the butter on your toast let alone draw patterns on it.

Now that I've googled the price yeeeek! Get an Ender3 Pro printer like what Neil has and use it to make the bits for one of the CNC router designs available.

I have an ender 3 thanks. I was looking for feedback from someone that had actually used one.

07/01/2022 14:51:10

I'm intrigued by the Snapmaker concept - 3 tools in one, 3D printer, laser cutter/engraver and CNC router in a single package with interchangable heads. Especially intrigued as they are about to release a more powerful laser module - 10W as opposed to the standard 1.6W, and claim it is good for cutting up to 8mm in some materials.

So, has anyone had any experience of these machines?

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