Member postings for John Baguley

Hi Dean,

As Brian says, you are setting up for a lifetimes work with this!

You will find that a few of the designs were only very briefly described in the magazines - a GA drawing and maybe a boiler drawing if you are lucky. We do have copies of most of the construction articles though if you need them.

Re Lucy Anna - we have copies of the articles in Model Maker and also the drawings.

Re Liberation - I think this is a mistake in Brian Hollingsworth's book. Certainly I can find no trace of it and the article mentioned in English Mechanics does not exist.

Re LBSCR - I think this may be the Southern Region 0-4-4T (2396) which I think is the same loco as Victoria.

Hollywood Annie is an Americanised version of Annie Boddie and was briefly covered by 4 pages in Model Engineer.

Cleopatra was covered by a single page in ME and had just a GA drawing.

Hope that helps,

John

Richard,

You will often find that there are more than one set of drawings for many of the LBSC designs. Kennions (as it was then) produced their own drawings as did Model Engineer. Donaldson and Piper also did them. Unfortunately, there are often quite a few differences between them!

John

Edited By John Baguley on 17/08/2017 20:09:48

As it is the 50th anniversary this year of the death of LBSC, it has been decided to replace the usual Curly Bowl competition with a special commemorative rally. This will be held on Sunday September 3rd at North West Leicestershire SME from 10am.

The track is in the grounds of the Hermitage Leisure Centre (behind the 3G court), Hermitage Road, Whitwick, Coalville, Leicestershire, LE67 5BZ. The track is steel, 1250' in length, and has 2.5, 3.5, and 5 inch gauges. Everyone welcome. Refreshments will be provided. Bring your LBSC design loco for a run or just for display.

John

Hi Neil,

That's interesting. I didn't realise that ME only held the copyright for 25 years.

I would hazard a guess that quite possibly no one owns the copyright to the actual LBSC designs as I doubt anyone would have inherited them. He and Mabel had no children so there would be no family to inherit the copyright. He was very close to Mavis Harriet and she inherited several of his locos, including his own Tich and of course, Ayesha (now owned by the N25GA). but I wouldn't think he would have passed the copyright onto her.

The Association has been given quite a few sets of his original pencil drawings for his well know designs in all the gauges. I haven't had chance to go through them all yet to see exactly what we have, but off the top of my head we have the drawings for Virginia, Betty, Pamela, Iris, Petrolea, Miss Ten to Eight, Netta, and several 2½" gauge designs including Rose.

They are all in very fragile condition but I intend to scan them when time permits before they disintegrate altogether. Not an easy task as they are pencil on what looks like lining paper so the contrast is poor.

LBSC always used to say that he was a terrible draughtsman but some of his drawings are a work of art and well worth hanging on the wall. Apparently, he used to send odd drawings to his friends as a present. The drawings for Rose were given to us by a gentleman in the USA and he had acquired them from someone else etc.

We do hold copies of the drawings for virtually every 2½" gauge design that ever appeared but we do take care not to sell copies of those that we know are sold by others such as Reeves or GLR Kennions. We hold a few that I think ME have lost over the years and seem to have disappeared from sale e.g. Nigel Minor.

When Bonds of Euston Road closed they passed all their remaining castings and patterns onto us and gave us permission to use their 2½" gauge designs so I suppose you could say we now hold the copyright to all of the Bonds 2½" gauge designs.

John

I don't think you will have any problems unless you decide to sell copies of your CAD drawings. Then you probably will be breaking copyright, certainly in the UK.

There are several companies in the UK that sell LBSC drawings e.g. Reeves and GLR Kennions. They would probably claim that they hold the copyright to those drawings. I presume that Model Engineer magazine still hold the copyright to the majority of the LBSC designs as they were published in either Model Engineer or English Mechanics.

There is no danger of the 2½" gauge designs dissapearing as the National 2½" Gauge Association was formed to make sure that all the 2½" gauge designs, not just those by LBSC, are preserved for the future.

One of my 'to do list' items is also to produce 3D CAD drawings for all the 2½" designs, mainly to find and correct all the errors in the drawings and improve the valve gears. I've made a start but there is a long way to go!

Good luck to you on your project.

John

Your biggest problem will be getting it tested if you want to use the boiler in public. The average club boiler inspector won't be qualified to test a welded copper boiler and probably won't touch it with a barge pole, especially if it is welded by a non coded welder. You are going to be looking at having it tested by a relevant professional tester at possibly considerable expense.

Good luck if you do decide to go ahead though.

John

Edited By John Baguley on 07/08/2017 03:34:13

Jason,

I don't think that is the Abby who posts on the forums. That will be Dan Hobbs of Union Steam Model Company

He does do investment casting and may be able to help with a small run.

John

Yes, he was refering to methylated spirits.

John

That only applies to ordinary fluorescents working at 50Hz. The modern high frequency ballasts work in the KHz range and don't cause any stroboscopic effect.

John

Hi Matt,

Yes, I see that I did send you a set of drawings back in May,

On the original sheet 1 the position of the rear cylinder mounting holes was shown as 4-5/8" from the driving axle but this distance should have been 4-3/4". This moves the cylinder mounting holes 1/8" further forward.

I think there have been a few versions of Rose built but I don't have any photos of any of them unfortunately. Is yours the coal fired version or the meths fired?

John

Having looked into it even further, it seems that although I sent an amended drawing to the person who was in charge of the N25GA drawings at the time, the sheet with the error may not have been replaced with the updated one and so we continued to sell the drawing with the error. I can only apologise to anyone who bought a set of the drawings. The drawings that I sent to Marc Horowitz were the updated ones which is why he never had a problem,

John

Edited By John Baguley on 08/07/2017 20:06:08

I've just had a look at the relevant page on my website and I did make a mistake in the position of the 4 holes for mounting the cylinder. The error was corrected in later versions of the drawings.

John

Hi Matt,

Out of interest, which drawings are you using for Victoria?

I produced a set of CAD drawings which were based on an original set of blueprints by Donaldson and Piper. I've had a quick look and it looks as though there should be plenty of clearance between the axle box and the cylinder block. The flange on the axle box may come close to the cylinder end cover at the top of it's travel though.

I have got a set of original castings for Victoria myself but the build is on the 'roundtuit' list! Steve Eaton built a coal fired version some years ago which has hauled him around the Chesterfield club track. It needed a bit of help starting off but managed to get around without further assistance.

Marc Horowitz also built a Victoria to my CAD drawings. I asked him to let me know if he found any errors or problems but he didn't mention finding anything wrong (unless he didn't bother to tell me)

Re Rose - I have the original pencil drawings by LBSC which were kindy donated to the 2½" Gauge Association by a gentleman in the USA. They are a work of art and really nice to look at. They show that LBSC was much better at drawing than he made out in his articles. I've heard that he used to send some of his drawings to friends as gifts.

John

Yes, had the same problem with my ML7. I also had to grind the top of the parting blade to get it low enough.

John

Hi Stew,

Sorry for the late reply.

The wheels that came with the kit are:

1 off 100mm x 40mm straight cup Green grit - code number GC80-K42

1 off 100mm x 40mm straight cup white aluminium oxide

1 off 75mm x 10mm plain disc white aluminium oxide

1 off 50mm x 25mm taper cup white aluminium oxide

2 off 80mm dish white aluminium oxide

The wheels are all 12.7mm bore and 80 grit and labelled Consort. The white whels are all coded WA80-JV1.

The motor that I used was one I had to hand and is 1440rpm. The small pulley is approx. 1.5" diameter and the large approx 5.2" diameter giving a ratio of approx. 3.5. This will give a spindle speed of approx. 5000rpm.

Hope that helps,

John

Edited By John Baguley on 10/06/2017 11:23:18

Hi Stew,

I bought the complete kit from MES and the wheels came with it. I can measure them up if it would help.

John

The Pyracantha bush outside my patio doors is just coming into flower and there are dozens of bumble bees on it. Must be a nest nearby somewhere. A few years ago, it was over nextdoors kitchen window which they weren't too chuffed about and sprayed it with chemicals. I would have just left them to it.

John

Thanks chaps.

The number did come up as 'unavailable' and I normally ignore these but I was expecting a call from the local doctor's surgery (which usually come up as 'number witheld) so I answered it.

I shall carry on ignoring the 'number unavailable' calls in the future

John

I have just had a phone call from an indian lady claiming to be from BT.

She said she was ringing to let me know that 'someone' was trying to hack my internet connection and was I aware of this. After a few questions from her I decided that the call sounded rather suspicious and put the phone down.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Just wondering if it is some sort of scam.

John

Hi Jim,

I think you will find that the only full set of drawings for Mabel is for the 3½" gauge version which is available from Reeves.

John