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Thread: Drill Press Improvemnts
20/02/2023 16:51:21

A new 3 phase motor and a VFD fitted. Controlling speed is a breeze now. The whole project was very straight forward .

VFD

Thread: What is the purpose of this switch?
31/01/2023 18:54:46

When i push it in, nothing seams to engage .

The main power comes to this box and from there it goes to the NVR, and some wires go to this switch as well. As speedy says, it could be an overload cutout switch.

Any way, soon i am going to get rid of all this and going to install a 3 phase motor with VFD with its on control box.

Thanks.

Andrew.

31/01/2023 14:18:37

In my drill press (make Jet JDP 17F) , on the junction box by the side of the machine , there is some sort of push button . It looks like a reset switch . But what does it reset? Can 8ecf11fd-630c-4000-ac42-62d0a68beddf.jpeg anybody educate me please . Thanks

Thread: Drill Press Improvemnts
23/01/2023 20:57:17
Posted by Georgineer on 23/01/2023 16:58:44:

I like the depth stop modification - I shall steal the idea for my drill press.

Does the belt guard actually need a catch (or a screw)? Mine has functioned perfectly safely for decades without either.

George

If there is no rattle, i think it’s ok not to have any sort of fixing. Mine came with a screw , so I decided to change to a latch although mine did not have the rattle problem.

23/01/2023 16:16:59

That’s fantastic idea Ian. Thanks for sharing the pic.

Andrew

22/01/2023 10:38:48

I quiet like the idea of adjusting the table height with a geared motor. As Nigel points out, i think the table needs to be still locked. Another reason i can think of is the adjusting rod is connected to the motor with a belt , not the motor is directly mounted on the handle. The belt can slip under load. My thoughts. I may be wrong here. Ian can correct it.

Some day i may add that geared motor. Now the priority is to add a VFD and change to a 3 phase motor,

Andrew.

22/01/2023 10:24:23
Posted by Robin Graham on 21/01/2023 21:33:33:
Posted by Andrew David on 20/01/2023 13:41:04:

Added these 3 improvements to the drill press.

1. Instead of a screw, a toggle latch for the top pulley covers. Much easy to access the pulleys instead of unscrewing and screwing the cover .

2. A collar with thumb screw for depth stop instead of a two nut system that most of the time gets very annoying (at least for me)

3. A ring light that greatly improves visibility- best addendum so far!

I quite like the machine in that the spindle runs true enough and there is minimal slop in the quill, but mine 'shakes' quite a lot. I improved things significantly by skimming the drive pulley on the lathe - it was quite badly out of balance- but have yet to get round to doing the intermediate and spindle pulleys. Just wondering if you have any such problem and if so how you have addressed it.

Robin.

Hi Robin, thankfully mine is ok. If it wasn’t i wouldn’t know how to fix it because I don’t have any machining tools (lathe, mill etc). I am a woodworker basically and beginning to develop an interest in machining.

Thanks

Andrew

20/01/2023 20:17:45
Posted by Ian Parkin on 20/01/2023 18:21:42

“thats just a 24v dc parvalux geared motor driving the shaft which lifts and drops the table and a switch mounted on a flying lead so that can mount on the table where i can get to it”

After you bring the table to desired height, do you have to manually lock them in place? Or does the gears hold them in place?

Thanks

Andrew

20/01/2023 16:50:45

Hi Ian, that’s fantastic. I am also planning to change motor and add a VFD.

How did you do the electric table lift ?

Thanks

20/01/2023 13:48:09

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20/01/2023 13:45:26

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20/01/2023 13:41:04

Added these 3 improvements to the drill press.

1. Instead of a screw, a toggle latch for the top pulley covers. Much easy to access the pulleys instead of unscrewing and screwing the cover .

2. A collar with thumb screw for depth stop instead of a two nut system that most of the time gets very annoying (at least for me)

3. A ring light that greatly improves visibility- best addendum so far!

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Thread: Drill Press Run out
12/01/2023 20:29:33

I have a dial indicator but not the test indicator. I think if i angle the dial indicator upwards inside the spindle , i will be able to measure the run out rather at the MT (chuck end). Will try to do this weekend and post the results .

Thanks

12/01/2023 20:26:55
Posted by Les Jones 1 on 12/01/2023 08:58:22:

Andrew has still not specified the units of his 0.03 so we still do not know just how bad it is.

Les.

It’s 0.03mm

12/01/2023 07:25:30

Thanks Everyone for your input! Much appreciate it!

10/01/2023 21:32:01

I don’t own a dial test indicator to check the inside of the spindle

I knocked the chuck head off the arbour and used the dial indicator to check the run out.

A precision rod is what it’s labelled by oozenet who are CNC sellers. I paid about £5.

Do i have to invest in a bit more expensive chuck ? The current chuck came with the machine

Andrew.

10/01/2023 18:48:05

How much would be an acceptable run out in a drill press ?

Mine reads at .03 about at the MT with the chuck removed and it goes to 0.14- 0.16 at the inside of chuck measured with a. precision rod in the chuck .

My chuck is a keyless chuck tightened with hand type!

thanks

Andrew

Thread: Changing the motor in Drill press
10/01/2023 16:12:27
Posted by Ian P on 10/01/2023 16:00:29:

Andrew, its not really a conundrum. I cannot say all, but most VFDs act in a No-Volt method.

Some can be programmed to restart the motor after power fail but by default most do not 'read' the switch positions at power up so even if the RUN switch is closed tha motor will not start. (until the switch is cycled off first)

Ian P

Edited By Ian P on 10/01/2023 16:02:03

Makes sense. Thanks.

10/01/2023 15:47:59
Posted by Ian P on 10/01/2023 15:10:39:

My VFD's are mostly as your plan A but instead of a (two position) F/R switch, I have a toggle switch with a centre off position (so no need for stop/start buttons) On the drilling machine I can reach easily the switch with the same hand holding the downfeed lever.

I use the drill for tapping threads (M2 to M14) and the ability to reverse is a godsend.

I can also reach the speed control potentiometer (to which I have fitted a very extended pointer (just a long grubscrew actually) which means I can change speed by fingertip without having to grip the knob.

I strongly suggest that you fit a remote potentiometer rather than using the up/down buttons on the VFD itself which in my experience carry out their intended purpose but are nowhere near as ergonomic as a potentiometer.

Ian P

P.S. I'm sure Dave will answer, but VFD's are usually set up so that the motor will not restart after cutting the mains power .

Edited By Ian P on 10/01/2023 15:13:23

Hi Ian,

Have you ever tried to turn the main power off while your drill press is running and turning it back on? This will answer if the VFD comes back on and run the motor or not?

Logically thinking, if the VFD power is interrupted and your toggle switch is in the on position and you left it that way, when the power comes back, the VFD will get the power and the toggle switch will keep the connection on , and the motor should power up. Unless there is a contactor upstream to VFD, in that case we will need a power on off button for the contactor. Hmmm!

I hope someone will be able to clarify this conundrum.

Cheers.

10/01/2023 14:47:30
Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 14:40:20:
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/01/2023 10:37:53:
Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 07:23:03:

This is what i am thinking about VFD wiring . Any thoughts most welcome. Thanks

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I vote for Plan A. The problem with the relay is it's unnecessary (I think), and adds a potential source of trouble. Either the relay fails, stopping the VFD, or the contacts stick, failing to stop the VFD in an emergency. I see relays as useful for providing isolation, not needed here, and/or, allowing small switches to operate a big switch that has to manage a lot of power. VFD control switching is electronic, typically 12 or 5V at a few milliamperes, making relays superfluous.

A point about jargon may help. Folk with a background in signal switching mostly call these devices "relays". Those with a background in power switching usually call them "contactors".

The hard part of setting up a VFD is usually configuring it, rather than the wiring. Inside the box is a mass of sophisticated functionality, which the user can use to adjust dozens of factors like logic sense and voltages, whether or not a pendant is used. They can also be parametrised to adjust soft-start characteristics, optimised to suit a particular motor, or support advance motor control features. Manuals can run to hundreds of pages of gobbledygook. Most are configured with a plug-in calculator like device, others with a computer interface.

When VFDs first appeared, they were high-end devices sold to industry, who either had them pre-programmed to a specification, or sent someone on a training course. The manuals at this stage were for expert reference, not simple How To Guides. The full manual of a VFD is still intimidating, but the good news is that most ordinary VFDs now work out of the box. They come sensibly pre-configured, and are likely to 'just work'. And if tweaks are necessary, they're likely to be straightforward, and explained in a much simplified get you started guide.

There's a high chance of success, only risk being forced into the deep manual because the defaults are unsuitable. One fairly common problem is the chap who accidentally changes an important setting due to inexperience, and can only fix it by understanding a difficult manual! Another is buying second-hand and finding nothing works because the previous owner specially configured it, and there's no manual. Last case is buying a sooper-dooper high-end VFD, and discovering it assumes installers are fully trained, must be configured from scratch, and the manual is an inch thick...

Dave

Hi Dave, one question , what happens in case of power failure during operation. When the power comes back, will the VFD power the motor from the pre power failure setup. Or, should VFD be switched on again to run the motor?

dont know Thanks

Andrew

If i chose Plan A that is!

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