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Thread: College Engineering Supply Castings Alternatives?
06/06/2018 21:23:22
Posted by John Rudd on 06/06/2018 17:06:40:

Not very sporting of CES is it?......wink

How about Hemingway Kits, they list angle plates and such like?

They have some plates, unfortunately they are not quite what the book calls for. I could buy two, cut them off and weld them, but i think it might be cheaper to just suck it up and buy an angle plate, especially as its needed for later projects.

Either that or its time to build that backyard foundry I have been hankering after

06/06/2018 16:50:04
Posted by JasonB on 06/06/2018 15:57:48:

there is a seller on e-bay who sells various castings that used to do the casting for the old owners, I have bought flywheel castings from him that CES used to do a she still has the patterns. May be worth asking him if he has any other patterns.

Screw jacks would be cheaper from CI bar but the angle plates with the webs would suit being done from castings

Thanks, I will message them. If not maybe I can figure out how to make the angle plate from flat stock. Would be a nice excuse to buy some slot drills for my mill and borrow the old man's welder.

06/06/2018 15:50:52

Hello

I would like to start working through my Workshop Practice Series books, but a good proportion of the projects, including one that underpins the rest of the series for the mill, involve using castings from College Engineering Supply. Teasingly, their site still has pictures and links for them, but you cannot add them to basket. When I emailed them about 8 months ago, they said they were out of stock. The site is still the same, with no add to basket, and another thread on this forum said they had no plans to make them anymore, back in 2016!

So I guess I am looking for an alternative to CES for these castings. The two I need first are the angle plate and the screw jack.

I know I could just buy them, or maybe make them from something else, but I like following a course 'as is' so I know I am covering everything the author intended. Am I out of luck?

Cheers

Ross

Edited By Ross Lloyd 1 on 06/06/2018 15:53:11

Thread: Warco WM250V Rattling Noise
06/06/2018 13:31:46
Posted by Mick B1 on 05/06/2018 20:49:10:
I set mine with paper as above and use the washers supplied on the gear stub shafts to make sure the gear faces don't scuff. I get a little mild whine and chitchat from the gears, but it sounds healthy and benign to me.

Do you mean putting the washer on the gear axles, where the lube nipples / horseshoe is?

Cheers

Ross

06/06/2018 13:30:28
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2018 20:14:42:

It's a WM18, does me proud.

Dave

It looks like a great mill, looking forward to getting started with it. I don't have the DRO or power feed as I want to learn 'the old way' first (a touch masochistic maybe). Do you have any do's and dont's or pieces of advice you could share on the machine?

Cheers!

Ross

Thread: WARCO WM-250 lathe family and WM16 mill - 001
06/06/2018 13:20:23
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2018 12:36:38:
Posted by Ross Lloyd 1 on 04/06/2018 19:31:59:

...

Should I go and splash out on a tub of white lithium?

Cheers

Ross

Been there, done that! Lithium Grease is best, ordinary grease is good enough.

Very common to find manuals recommending particular oils and greases. People pop up asking where they can get long obsolete grades or defunct brand names. Sometimes using the specified item matters but the gears in a hobby lathe are simple and robust. The thing to avoid is no grease or oil at all.

When I bought a new car I initially spent ages checking and cleaning it, and always bought recommended oils and official spares. I was terrified of having a bump. Now it only gets basic maintenance and I drive around covered in bird poo...

Haha thanks that made my day! You don't live in Aberdeen by any chance do you? Used to live there and it was seagull poop central. I thought about marketing disposable car covers and making a few bob!

I have got some lithium grease on the way, need to get a big container of machine oil too. Hopefully in a few years the lathe won't be covered in anything from the wrong end of a sparrow

Thread: Warco WM250V Rattling Noise
05/06/2018 18:59:34
Posted by Journeyman on 05/06/2018 09:24:32:

Setting the gear train .....

..... Enjoy the new lathe.

John

Edited By Journeyman on 05/06/2018 09:36:28

Thank you very much for the comprehensive advice, I am going to give that a shot tonight after tea!

Ross

05/06/2018 18:58:17
Posted by John Slaven on 05/06/2018 13:09:09:

Hi Ross,

My WM250VF was exactly the same until I tried the old paper trick between the teeth. It takes a wee bit of time but well worth the quieter running. The noise from the gears is probably just below the motor fan noise now.

Cheers the noo

John.

Seems to be a common thing with those lathes then. I will definitely try the paper trick.

Ross

05/06/2018 18:57:40
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2018 12:16:19:
Posted by Ross Lloyd 1 on 04/06/2018 22:45:36:

...

The lathe is making some pretty ferocious rattling sounds.

Slightly risky judging from a recording but that does sound like normal change-gear racket.

Carefully adjusting the gap between gears with paper as described will minimise noise, but what you're listening to is a train of ordinary metal gears clattering under power out in the open. (The guard isn't soundproof). Part of the problem is teeth stirring the air, which you can't do much about.

A much more expensive lathe might have an encapsulated gearbox and teeth modified to reduce whine as in a car's gearbox. Less noisy but no more efficient or effective when cutting metal.

The main thing I miss about my mini-lathe is quiet turning. My WM280 has two noisy cooling fans, a hefty motor and rattling gears galore. Certainly not neighbour annoying or ear-defender loud, but enough to spoil my workshop radio listening at normal volume.

My milling machine is a lot quieter. No cooling fan, far fewer gears, and they're inside a heavy metal box.

Dave

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2018 12:16:42

Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 05/06/2018 12:17:10

Yeah thats true, its not deafeningly loud. Which mill do you have, out of interest? We just got done getting the WIM18 up on the bench today

Ross

05/06/2018 18:56:29
Posted by mechman48 on 05/06/2018 10:12:30:

Go to Journeyman's workshop; he has written up a mod that quietens down the rattle, I have made one & it does work nicely, only have the self act engaged when needing to machine lengths of material. I use motor bike chain lube spray on my gears, heavier than oil & lighter than grease. Set your gear backlash as per the above methods.

George.

Thanks George, I enjoyed that video the other day, thanks for putting it up!

Ross

Thread: Warco lathe owners - what is this feature?
05/06/2018 14:03:18
Posted by mechman48 on 05/06/2018 10:35:40:

I have had the same recommendations, but I now use motor cycle chain spray lube, I find it light enough to prevent any swarf sticking to gears, but heavy enough to give good lubrication, most auto shop will have it on the shelves along side cans of WD 40, Redex, Slik 50 etc.

​George.

Edited By mechman48 on 05/06/2018 10:45:43

Cheers George, that seems to be a popular solution so I will check it out.

Ross

05/06/2018 14:02:13

Hm so it seems there wasnt any oil in the apron. We took the sight glass out, nothing emerged. So we took the drain plug out and this is all we got

Seemed to be a lot of grit in there too, so we are going to flush it out with paraffin and then refill with machine oil.

Thread: Warco WM250V Rattling Noise
04/06/2018 23:21:19

Hi Ed, thanks for replying.

Apologies for the new guy questions, please bear with me!

If I disengage the gear train does that not mean the power feed / threading functions will not work? They are driven by the gear train. I took this video with the cover off (I know, naughty but its low speed) and I think the noise is coming from the middle change gear as it seems looser. I could not see how to tighten it though.

Do you mean to undo the allen screw on the base of the banjo, move it to the right and kind of leave it flapping in the breeze, or are you just suggesting to tighten the gears and then put them back?

04/06/2018 22:45:36

Sorry for the large volume of posts on my lathe, I am getting this thing set up and lots of questions are popping up!

The lathe is making some pretty ferocious rattling sounds. I have not yet applied the heavy grease to the gear wheels, I just applied some machine oil until the grease turns up. Could that be the cause of the rattle, or is this normal? It is present at all speeds and worst at high speed. Plenty of oil in the main gearbox. The source seems to be from around the chuck. The headstock cover under the square rubber plate is also quite warm to the touch. WARNING: Loud!

Edited By Ross Lloyd 1 on 04/06/2018 23:03:43

Thread: WARCO WM-250 lathe family and WM16 mill - 001
04/06/2018 21:43:15

Tell a lie, under uncrating section it recommends a "heavy non slinging grease", I guess lithium covers that base

Thread: WM18 CNC Conversion Article
04/06/2018 21:42:02

Thank you!

Thread: Warco lathe owners - what is this feature?
04/06/2018 19:51:16
Posted by Mick B1 on 04/06/2018 19:26:40:
When I was getting occasional splotches of brownish oil falling into the swarftray, I phoned Warco to ask their advice. They said I could regard the apron gearbox as lubricated for life and that small losses were unimportant.
I tend to agree - so long as the gears don't go dry for months of heavy use, it's not easy to imagine them coming to much harm. I poured in a bit of sae 30 mower oil when I had the apron off for another reason, but I don't think it's worth much anxiety.

Thanks! Good to know. Do you put any lithium grease on your gears? I note the grizzly manual for the equivalent lathe recommends this.

Thread: WM18 CNC Conversion Article
04/06/2018 19:49:00

In the May 25th issue of Model Engineer, there is an article about Canon Roger Davis' (hope I got the name right, am copy pasting from the blurb) conversion of his WM18 to CNC.

Can anyone tell me if this is a series spanning several issues, and if so which issues I can find it in?

Thank you

Ross

Thread: WARCO WM-250 lathe family and WM16 mill - 001
04/06/2018 19:31:59

Not sure if this has been covered, but do the gears on the WM250V need lithium grease as with the grizzlys? The manual mentions the mobil gearbox oil and the 20W machine oil for all the parts with ball bearing oil nipples, but does not mention the gears.

Should I go and splash out on a tub of white lithium?

Cheers

Ross

Thread: Warco lathe owners - what is this feature?
04/06/2018 14:44:04
Posted by Rik Shaw on 04/06/2018 14:14:05:

Its a sight gauge alright. Fill point is on LH side. If I remember correctly, WARCO advised to fill/top up until the oil spilled out from the back of the casting. So why the sight glass? You'll need to ask Mister Warco. You'll get more better info if you download much better GRIZZLY manual for their version of thee WM250.

Rik

 

Yeah the grizzly manual is a bit more comprehensive isnt it, cheers!

Edited By Ross Lloyd 1 on 04/06/2018 14:47:30

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