Member postings for Richard Cleaver

So today's annoyingly amateurish question concerns coolants.

Back at school I vaguely remember having to apply a swarf(?) grease with an old brush and am aware that turning and cutting metal will require cooling.

I've seen some using a few drops of what looks like oil on their work administered from a small squeazy bottle or oil can.

As I only have a micro lathe I would probably administer this way rather than an expensive cooling system.

That being said, what should I use? I will mainly be using ally or nickel/brass alloy if that helps.

Duly footnoted in my shiny new workshop notebook Neil, thank you.

Steve, A good idea I think for me I've a terrible memory too. As Victor Borge used to say...

There's 3 things I always forget.....(stares blankly at audience scratching head until laughter begins)

V8 (great non de plume!), Have managed to download manual. Why is it the norm nowadays to only provide an extensive manual on line only and provide operating instructions with machinery? Price probably!

My dear ol' grandfather would be shouting obscenities in his wooden overcoat , God rest his soul.

Dear All, Success at last. Only taken me 4 hours! You've all been legends.

Stand by for tomorrow's thread entitled...How do I turn this f$£*&ng thing on!!!

The wife has returned from 'being busy in the kitchen' with a glass of red for me and the dog has come from under the kitchen table and it watching me from under his eyebrows as if wary of raised voiced and choice words.

Thank you again!

Pic1: As far as they go.

Pic2: Same. But showing the 2 levers for closing the chuck. Not knuckle friendly when adding a touch of grunt!

Pic3: Some signs of wear....and I've not turned it on yet!

Pic4: Numbers as clear as mud!

Yes I know I should of left well alone but I had a piece of ally tube to practice on and thought it safer to reverse the jaws and grip tube from inside. Best laid plans of mice....etc

Edited By Richard Cleaver on 07/11/2016 17:54:35

Stand by.....getting some pics!

Thanks both.

Have found numbers on jaws but none that I can see on chuck to correspond.

Jaws have all gone in so far and stiffened up. No chuck key btw, this is operated by two punch shaped levers. One for the chuck and one for the scroll(?).

Having took receipt of my first engineering lathe I have tried to reverse the reversible jaws supplied in the chuck and don't seem to be able to put them back in!

SWMBO is giving me discerning looks as she knows just how many shekels this has cost. Help please if there is a technique or order of process. I cannot even put them back in how they was! Nightmare!!

I am humbled by the informative help and suggestions offered and wish to convey my gratitude to you all.

That being said, you must all understand that my ability and experience with working metal either in design, fabrication or otherwise, is far below rank of novice. Hence the title to this post.

I am ashamed to admit that not only creating a two wheeled knurling tool to being beyond me, but also purchasing and altering a tool also. The lathe arrives today and it doesn't come with any tools. With my limited income, I'm fairly 'reined in' at the moment.

I thought that sleeping on the problem might make it less daunting in the morning. Sadly it is not the case.

Should any of you care to unburden me by making the rings.....drop your quotes in my inbox. Ha!

Needless to say I'm left feeling a little apprehensive about spending more cash on a tool, defacing the shank and then putting my new lathe at risk as well. As I'm only going to be using aluminum tubing is this likely to decrease undue force on the tool rest? Should I perhaps settle for simplified design without knurling. I'm very confused....

Thanks Thor. I wasn't aware a hand knurler was suitable for metal working.

The original maker has made contact on another forum with some advice which I will share here...

Have just had a more detailed look at the mini lathe you are buying..and without trying to put a damper on things in any way, may I advise you to be very careful in trying to knurl metal on this machine. Now, do not think that I am trying to be discouraging in any way, more than most strongly advising you to exercise great caution in using it.

The reason is based on my rather limited experience in engineering, but I have learnt a few, hard and painfully expensive lessons along the way and one of them was in how to knurl metal successfully, so if you want to make a job of it, then listen to this and take it on board.
From what you say, I deduce that you I'll be using a pressure knurler? I also note that the toolpost capacity is for 8mm tools.
There is a reason for that. Most machine tools have a tool handling limit, i.e. That is the maximum size which that machine will handle, without running the risk of serious, or irreparable damage to the general build. In your particular case it is 8mm.
A pressure knurling tool does 'exactly wot it says on the tin!' The workpiece is first turned to a little below the finished size because this form of knurling literally deforms the metal back up to size afterwards. The knurling tool is then brought to bear on the metal and traversed along it at a controlled and constant feed rate, forming the desired pattern..
..Now, that sounds very simple-which it is-but there are some important factors which MUST be considered first..
When you wind that tool against the metal, you impose very great forces and unnatural strain upon the toolpost, the lathe saddle, the headstock and tailstock bearings and the tool itself. So, you have to ask, whether your machine has enough 'grunt' to do this? The lathe which you have chosen will be super for floatmaking and for turning up bits and bobs from wood, but I do have my doubts when it comes to knurling metal, quite honestly. You will be able probably, to produce a line pattern, but not much more, without risking severely straining your new machine. Fitting a larger toolpost might also compound the risk...
As already said, I am NOT trying to deter you, but I AM trying to guide you toward success, without causing damage.
Knurling also generates a lot of friction, which heats up both tool and metal very rapidly, so you will need to both cool and lubricate it as it happens. You don't have to take my word for it, ask anyone on the forum who owns a lathe!

That's a great help chaps all good suggestions and I thank you. I will let you know how I get on and post some pictures when I've figured it all out.

That's what I love about engineers, living life by two simple codes. 'Necessity is the mother of invention' and 'If it can't be fixed with gaffer tape...you're not using enough gaffer tape!'.

Well, what do you know...went for it and figured it out. Pics of miniature rod with knurled reel bands.

Thanks for your help.

Hello to everyone here, admin, members etc.

My name is Richard, I'm 48 and have been forced into medical retirement from driving buses which I did for 20 years.

Since the forced increase in spare time, I try busying myself to keep the 'black dog' at bay. My hobbies are fishing, making fishing floats and fishing related bespoke items.

I have very little metalwork experience but have acquired vast carpentry skills both with hand tools and lathe work.

I have had to budget my expenses frugally now I receive just a pension and a medical allowance but am able to supplement my meagre income by selling bespoke fishing floats and tackle items.

I've always been fascinated by things in miniature and have recently built a miniature split cane fishing rod complete with rod bag. I sent it to a friend that runs a vintage fishing company who was meant to value it for me and sell it on. Since receiving it, not only was he blown away by the quality and ingenuity of it but has suggested that I make more of them. A run of a dozen in fact, he would pay me for them in advance, in batches of three.

That was a nice shock and I accepted gladly. With the advance I have purchased an Axminster CO lathe which will help me with creating floats but also the mini metal parts associated with the rod.

One of the components I need to create is miniature reel bands. For the un initiated, these consist of two rings of aluminum that slide up and down the cork rod handle and affix a fishing reel by sliding over the reel seat trapping it in situ. These are moderately decorated and relatively easy to construct but present me with a problem. One end of these rings or bands is knurled on its face for finger grip. The first set I had, a friend was kind enough to make for me as I couldn't without a metalwork lathe. This was frustrating as I wasn't able to complete the build totally on my own.

So now I have a micro lathe but the C0 lathe tool post only accepts 8mm tool shanks and the smallest knurling tool I can find has a 12.5mm shank.

I have the lathe, the aluminum alloy tube ready to go but need a knurling tool to fit it desperately. Suggestions, advice and miracles welcomed.

Long winded introduction but thanks for having me, listening and allowing me on board.

Warm regards,

Richard