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Thread: Dial Gauge resolution?
31/08/2012 11:24:01

Chris,

Just a couple of points:

1. Always check the specifications carefully ... especially with digital readouts ... resolution and accuracy are easily [and sometimes conveniently?] confused.

2. Strictly speaking; all Dial Test Indicators are intended as Indicators only ... the scale is convenient, but you are using it to confirm " Zero ". [hope that makes sense ... happy to explain in more detail if you want]

Yes, we all sometimes use them for direct measuring!

My recommendation would be to get the best one you can find, with a nice clear analog dial.

... it should last a lifetime.

MichaelG.

Thread: Quick Change Toolpost and Holder systems
31/08/2012 11:01:44

That's a very interesting variation on the theme, Mike.

... especially slitting he column instead of the body.

 

Thanks for sharing
 
MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 31/08/2012 11:02:41

31/08/2012 09:04:25
 

1910 version of the Patent referenced above.

... and as a further diversion; have a look at his designs for:

an Engraving and Die Sinking Machine  ... That's Nice !!

and a High Speed Spindle ... That's Cool

 
MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 31/08/2012 09:19:54

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 31/08/2012 09:28:46

31/08/2012 08:08:48

Slight diversion ... I just found this Patent from 1913 by F.D. Van Norman; which features what we tend to think of as a "Myford Tool Boat".

I think we can reasonably assume that he was "the" Norman.

I will investigate further.

MichaelG.

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From this page, I quote: "In 1888, Mr. Charles E. and Fred D. Van Norman founded the Waltham Watch Tool Company, to manufacture tools for use in the Jewelry trade."

... "WW" being the standard for the "inverted vee" lathe bed, as used by Pultra and many others.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 31/08/2012 08:21:10

31/08/2012 07:39:42

Andy,

That GJH lathe looks a little gem ... thanks for sharing the link.

Amazing what can be done when needs must:

If a Pultra isn't good enough, AND you have Rolls Royce crafstsmen.

MichaelG.

P.S.

I didn't know that the Toyo ML1 borrowed the design, either.

... Two interestng bits of info. to start the day ! Thanks.

Thread: Stringer EW lathe
30/08/2012 09:30:17
Posted by alan smith 6 on 29/08/2012 23:50:53:

if you look at his last posting (21.45) you may get an insight into his attitude to our EW lathe.

For the avoidance of doubt:

In my posting of 29/08/2012 21:45:44 ... "machine-specific" was hyphenated.

I meant exactly what I wrote: " ... no particular interest in the machine-specific detailing. "

Mr Stringer's lathe was an admirable design in many ways, and my "attitude" to it has always been positive.

MichaelG.

29/08/2012 23:41:13

As promised, earlier ...

For those who may be interested in understanding Stepper Motors:

This is a good place to start

And this is the definitive reference

MichaelG.

29/08/2012 23:17:10

Out of a genuine desire to help others where I can!

... I played no bluff ... I simply made a suggestion.

MichaelG.

29/08/2012 21:45:44
Posted by alan smith 6 on 29/08/2012 19:45:01:

Michael,

This area of knowlege is new to me and I haven`t yet learned all the jargon. As a boy I did an apprenticeship as a toolmaker and then went into the design office and since then my career has been in design engineering until I retired at the age of 70. As a design engineer it`s always important to try to understand the philosophy behind a concept.

One thing that I`ve picked up on is your question where you ask, why do I want to be able to change the rate of feed when it is not in the Exactus design.

From this I imagine that you are perhaps not so experienced in lathework. The Exactus design does not allow a change of feed unless the feed ratchet gear is changed! I supposed that with the stepper motor this could be done whilst the feed is in operation.

You realise that I have been trying to draw the information from you by putting down my thoughts on paper, so let`s see how you actually propose to carry out this design together with the switchgear and everything else to achieve the proposals that I have laid down without any jargon or acronyms and let`s see some sketches. Please accept this challenge

Alan

Edited By alan smith 6 on 29/08/2012 20:00:58

 

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Sorry Alan ... I have enough "challenges" on my list already; and I thought we had decided that this had the makings of a collaborative project.

You say [above] ... "One thing that I`ve picked up on is your question where you ask, why do I want to be able to change the rate of feed when it is not in the Exactus design.

From this I imagine that you are perhaps not so experienced in lathework. The Exactus design does not allow a change of feed unless the feed ratchet gear is changed! I supposed that with the stepper motor this could be done whilst the feed is in operation."

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Although not professionally trained, I do have plenty of experience in Lathework, thank you ... and I am perfectly aware that a range of feed rates is desirable. ... What I was trying to find out was whether this was on the "Must" list, or the "Nice to have" list. ... You are, after all, starting from a baseline of the Exactus design, but you stated: "I would expect that this rate of feed to be immediately adjustable to suit the type of material being machined."

 

I have offered a suggestion ... but will now hand it over to the forum

[quote] ... let`s see how you actually propose to carry out this design together with the switchgear and everything else to achieve the proposals that I have laid down without any jargon or acronyms and let`s see some sketches. Please accept this challenge ... [/quote]

 

Quite simply, Alan; I do not "propose to carry out this design < etc. >" ... I do not have an EW, and have no particular interest in the machine-specific detailing. ... so it's over to you chaps.

I genuinely wish you every success.

MichaelG.

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/08/2012 21:51:37

Thread: MEW
29/08/2012 18:06:56

David,

Sincere apologies for my slip of the digits.

I should have credited Norman [NJH]

MichaelG.

Thread: "Please login to use this feature"
29/08/2012 18:01:04

Dave,

Thanks for that thought:

It may well be true, although I cannot honestly see why it needs to be ... the cookies are stored separately on every machine that you use.

... I must try some controlled experiments.

Thanks again; much appreciated.

MichaelG.

Thread: Stringer EW lathe
29/08/2012 17:52:28

Posted by alan smith 6 on 29/08/2012 10:24:57:

Responses inserted in-line, for convenience ... MichaelG.

 

Ian & Michael,

I think that we already are participating in an open source design project, the cross fertilisation of ideas is always beneficial.

Agreed, but I was hoping that David Clark might see fit to "sponsor" the project by setting-up some better environment than a forum thread.

What this thread is leading up to is a common direction for our endeavours. For the torque measurement probably IanT is the person most enabled to do this, as unlike myself, he has a working lathe, so what about it Ian, can you do this for us?

I cannot answer for Ian, but it should be fairly simple to do ... put a flat-belt pulley on the end of the leadscrew, wind a few turns of cord around it, add weights until it drives the saddle.

Michael, you gave us a lot of information in your posting which, alas, I was unable to immediately comprehend, I will have to do a crash course in stepper motors and their control.

I will post links to some relevant sites ... but frankly; unless you are interested in this for its own sake, don't bother! Just accept that some very clever people have put all the difficult stuff onto a tiny chip.

Ian put his finger on the essence of what we want, which is a simple deign for the feed only. not full CNC.

I hope I have addressed that point adequately already.

In order to help myself and probably others, I will put down my expectations from the stepper drive and let MichaelG tell us whether my expectations can be fulfilled. Then we can get down to the nitty gritty of the design itself.

From my experience in Procurement ... please let's have the "Must" features clearly differentiated from the "Nice to have".

Firstly to see whether we need a leadscrew clutch, can the motor be instantly reversed? If it can, then we could probably do away with the clutch.

Please see previous post.

Can this reversal be controlled manually? This is to do away with the complication of micro switches or their modern equivalent.

Please see previous post ... the switch can be fully manual if you wish.

To get the feed relative to the spindle speed, I assume that there will be some kind of optical device mounted on the headstock somewhere which sends a signal to the control box for the motor. This feed rate would be around .002" per rev of the spindle, which would be approximately 6 degrees of rotation of the leadscrew but I would expect that this rate of feed to be immediately adjustable to suit the type of material being machined.

Optical / Mechanical / Hall-Effect / etc. take your pick. "I would expect that this rate of feed to be immediately adjustable to suit the type of material being machined." ... Why? it is not so on the Exactus version ... see my earlier comment about specification.

In my experience simplicity is king and I see in my imagination that the motor would be controlled just like a model train set. All we would need is a forward, stop and reverse switch to control the feed with another rotating switch to control the speed of the feed. Perhaps we should choose a motor with more torque than initially deemed necessary, so that we would then need a way of controlling the torque of the motor.

Please see my previous posting ... This is very important.

All one would have to do is to set the spindle speed, switch on and bring the tool to the work by means of the leadscrew handle, set the cut and then switch on the feed. At the end of the cut the feed would be stopped and either reversed at a faster rate by the motor, or reversed using the leadscrew handle.

There you are Michael, can this be done?

Yes.

Alan

 

 

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/08/2012 17:53:40

29/08/2012 17:28:29
Posted by alan smith 6 on 29/08/2012 11:57:26:

Michael & EWers

I hope that you will have time to answer my post. It`s important that we have a clear idea of what we have to do. For the feed that will be linked to the spindle speed, which you call "synchronised", my feeling is that is the way to go, as it will be easier to control as one will not have to think about what feed to apply as this is already set up, and if the rate of feed can be adjusted whilst in motion a twiddle of a knob will give a slower or faster feed as required.

alan

Alan,

Please forgive me if I appear to be preaching … that is certainly not my intention, but I do have an important point to make:

You say: "… a twiddle of a knob will give a slower or faster feed as required."

Now, "twiddle of a knob" is a very Analog phrase, and I think we should be thinking exclusively Digital. … It is possible to mix the two, but it tends to be complicated and/or expensive.

The A3983, as implemented in the JAFmotion MicroStep, does everything that we NEED to emulate the Exactus Ratchet System [and more].

Straight out of the box, it offers:

  • Drive Current of 1.2A per phase [which should be adequate]
  • Switchable Forward/Reverse [whilst the system is running]
  • Switchable Step-Mode [whilst the system is running]
  • Step-Modes equivalent to 1/1, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 Gearing
  • Virtually instantaneous Stop

The wiring is extremely simple and we do not need an additional computer to drive it.

Hope that makes sense

I will answer your other points in my next posting.

MichaelG.

Thread: "Please login to use this feature"
29/08/2012 17:04:07

Would some kind person that uses Safari PLEASE tell me how to make this forum "Remember me" ... I keep ticking the box but it still dumps me out at apparently random times.

Note: The behaviour seems to have changed since the black banner about cookies was removed.

Thanks in anticipation of my return to sanity.

MichaelG.

iMac / MacBook Pro / iPad

... same problem on all of them

Thread: MEW
29/08/2012 12:00:39

Ramon,

If you prefer to hyperlink your text ...

First copy the URL to your clipboard

Select the word, then click the Hyperlink icon  [now affectionately known as the BubbleCar, thanks to David Littlewood]

Then just paste the URL into the box in the pop-up. < etc. >

MichaelG.

 

bubblecar.jpg

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/08/2012 12:03:39

Thread: Stringer EW lathe
29/08/2012 10:49:06

Alan [and everyone interested]

You have hit upon one very important point, that merits further discussion.

For the EW fine feed ... Do you want it "Independent" or "Synchronised" ?

The Exactus is Synchronised, as is any geared drive; but there have been several successful designs for Independent fine feeds.

MichaelG.

If we opt for Synchronised, it could eventually be developed into an "Electronic Leadscrew" for Screwcutting. ... But let's walk before we try running.

29/08/2012 10:31:17
Posted by IanT on 29/08/2012 10:08:14:

(how large is large enough?) .

That's where we need some torque measurements, from various machines doing various jobs.

e.g. What torque needs to be applied to the leadscrew of an EW lathe, to take [say] a 0.02" deep cut in various materials at a feed rate of [say] 0.002" per rev of the workpiece.

Note: for those so inclined ... Metric approximations are welcome

Must go for now; I need to tidy the workshop.

MichaelG.

29/08/2012 10:12:25

Ian,

Personally, I do prefer toothed belts [timing belts] for this sort of application, for peace-of-mind.

... also, they often only need to be very lightly tensioned.

There are very small versions available [look inside any modern flatbed scanner], and:

To a man with a Shaper, knocking out flangeless toothed pulleys would be a doddle.

Good to hear from you ... let's keep this going!

MichaelG.

29/08/2012 09:44:59
Posted by IanT on 29/08/2012 08:58:25:

I'd like something that stepped so many (adjustable) steps on a 'go' pulse (microswitch).

 

Ian,

Have a look at Electrozone UK ... Their ESMC-02 driver is VERY clever

... It's only 750mA current, but might be just what you are looking for.

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 29/08/2012 09:46:20

29/08/2012 09:30:44
Posted by IanT on 29/08/2012 08:58:25:

I'd like something that stepped so many (adjustable) steps on a 'go' pulse (microswitch). If it was a 'portable' unit - I could use it on the Adept, the EW and perhaps on other things - rotary table for instance? A small black-box and a simple way to attach/remove a stepper motor in 2-3 minutes (via an Oldham coupling?) would make it multi-usel and not overly expensive

Ian,

Whilst we are pondering ... Toothed belts are a very useful alternative to the in-line couplings.

We could have a flanged pulley on the drive module, and [appropriate ratio] plain pulleys on each machine. .... That's versatile.

MichaelG.

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