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Thread: ER32 Myford Collet Chuck
26/10/2011 20:16:43
First I assume you are not intending to lap the spindle ? ( just checking!)

I will freely admit to being a bit daft on occasions, but I'm not that daft !

I would think long and hard before you resort to lapping.
 
I had a closer look & a measure-up this evening. The collet chuck body starts to go on the spindle, but goes tight with around a 5mm gap to the spindle register face.
 
My Super 7 is a mid-60s built, ex-school machine that doesn't appear to have had much use * - the original rust preventative was still present in the spindle taper & the spindle nose appears as though "just ground". The register measures around 1.2499" as near as I can read a Starrett 0-2" mic that zeros correctly against it's 1" standard - that is visbly under 1.2500", but by barely the width of the fiducial line. The register appears parallel along it's length.
 
Using an M&W telescopic bore gauge & the Starrettt mic, the collet chuck register bore appears to be around 1.2505" diameter. By feel the bore is pretty parallel. Comparing the gauge set in the collet chuck with the 3 jaw chuck backplate bore, the backplate is a very slightly tighter fit.. As the collet chuck goes tight before the apparently big enough, apparently parallel bore has seated, that suggests to me that the problem is with the thread.
 
Looks like I have the perfect excuse to "invest" in a Myford nose thread tap !
 
Nigel B.
 
* It must have had the chuck changed at some point in it's life though - there is a "chuck jaw end " shaped ding in the rear shear close to the chuck. Butterfingers !
 
Reminder to self - always use the chuck board !
26/10/2011 07:52:06
I bought a Soba one to fit my Myford
 
I bought one of those at Harrogate - don't know how good the runout is as it doesn't fit the spindle register (too tight). Finish doesn't appear too bad, but I have not had the time or inclination to lap the register to get it to fit on the machine.
 
I suppose it is better to have it a bit too tight than loose - at least it should be possible to get a good fit with a bit of effort.
 
Nigel B.
Thread: Moving a Boxford shaper
26/10/2011 07:45:28
Mine was delivered by the local dealer who I bought it from. He arrived with an engine hoist alongside the shaper in the back of a pickup & used that to unload the machine & place it in my garage. I used 3 or 4 steel bars (1 1/2"ish diameter) as rollers & a crowbar to move it into it's final position. It was moved a couple of times - in to position to mark the holding down bolt holes, out to drill the holes, back in etc. Finally grouted in after levelling.
 
It was some years ago that this occured, but I don't recall having any particular problems - I had a reasonable amount of room to work at the time. As with all cabinet mounted machines, it is top heavy & should be moved with care - slightly off-balance & it would fall over very quickly (as I found out later with a CUD lathe - fortunately without any damage to self or little damage to the machine !).
 
Nigel B.
Thread: Mill Gearbox Lubrication and cutting oil
11/10/2011 19:49:17
Anybody have an opinion?
 
Well - from experience with lubrication of gearboxes in "full size" machines I would suggest hydraulic oil would be a good place to start. More machines that I have come into contact with have used hydraulic oil to lubricate spindle gearboxes than any other type of oil. I seem to recall the odd one that used slideway oil & one (a Brown & Sharpe VMC) that used ATF, but non spring to mind that specified a gear oil.
 
Viscosities vary - and some of the bigger machines use the lighter oils. Most large vertical borers (Webster & Bennett, Schiess, Froriep, Morando, OM) specify 32 viscosity oil. The Gildermeister lathes at my current workplace specify 46 viscosity hydraulic oil for the spindle boxes, as does a Kira VMC. A Dixi CNC borer I once worked on used 10 weight oil - like water ! I have seen the gears on vertical borers (I used to work for a CNC machine tool rebuild company) that had done over 20 years service (37Kw motors usually) that still showed the original grinding marks on the teeth, so ISO VG32 hydraulic oil seems to provide sufficient lubrication.
 
I don't have any experience of piston compressor oils, but suspect that they would be optimised for constant high temperature operation - maybe over extended periods. All piston compressors I have worked near have run hot. I suspect they would have similar characteristics to monograde engine oils.
 
My first preference would be to use a 46 viscosity hydraulic oil, but if no industrial suppliers nearby, then use ATF. I use ATF in the head of my Taiwanese Emco FB2 clone. ATF & hydraulic oils have added extreme pressure & anti-foaming additives and good viscosity stability with temperature change (think of the lubrication requirements of gear or piston pumps). Lighter weight oils will give the motor an easier time at start-up - higher viscosity may give better noise damping (maybe the reasoning behind a recommendation for 68 viscosity).
 
Other opions will, no doubt, be along in a momemnt !
 
Regards,
 
Nigel B
 
Thread: Myford collets
07/10/2011 17:55:08
What sort of T.I.R. did you get with those ER25 collets.


I bought a 2MT ER25 collet chuck & a set of collets from Ebay seller "onlineseller68" in Hong Kong. The collets came in blue & yellow boxes similar to those that Arc Eurotrade supply. Delivery was a couple of weeks. I can't recall the total price now, but IIRC it was less than half the price quoted by the UK retailers.

I checked runout in my Super 7 spindle on a 10mm carbide endmill held in the appropriate collet - runout measured on the tool shank close to the chuck was the same as I measure on the front of the taper in the spindle nose at around 0.0002" TIR
 
That is close enough for my requirements !
 
HTH
 
Nigel B.
Thread: DRO on a Mill/Drill?
28/09/2011 19:50:03
the backlash on the x-axis is about 1mm from memory
 
I have a Taiwanese made, "Tru Tool" branded RF30 that appears to be identical to the Warco machine. That too had a lot of lost motion in the X axis when I bought it second hand. It turned out to be the two bolts holding the nut bracket to the saddle were loose, allowing the nut bracket to move through the hole clearance. No pins or tenons are employed to take the thrust, so if the bolts loosen the bracket can move.
 
Regards,
 
Nigel B.
Thread: Parts for Bantam Lathe
28/09/2011 19:42:51
I missed the bit in the original post that said that the OEM had the parts available but that they were too expensive

Machine tool parts are always expensive - industrial machines particularly so. But the manufacturer can still supply the parts you require for your 40ish year old machine & they should go straight in, be made of the originally specified materials & to original tolerances & accuracies. The thread will most like be thread milled or thread rolled & may have been ground & the nut threaded with a special tap that initially roughs the thread undersize then finishes it (think of two taps joined together axially, with the first being a bit undersize & the thread being continuous).

As you say, there are cheaper options. WMH & Raine sell rolled acme screw stock by the metre in various sizes, leads & both hands. Bronze nut blanks to suit also.

Depending on how worn your screw is you could re-cut the thread to remove the wear & make a new nut to suit the re-cut thread - minimal outlay with that route (you could do it on your machine by locking the cross-slide & using the compound suitably positioned) & one used by a machine tool refurbishing company I was seconded to during my apprentice days.

Regards,

Nigel B.
27/09/2011 13:25:53
Have you tried Colchester ?
 
Spares
Tel: +44 (0) 1924 412603
Fax: +44 (0) 1924 415008
Email: [email protected]
 
Regards,
 
Nigel B.
Thread: How to tram a mill
16/09/2011 15:43:18
Firstly, I wouldn't use a drill chuck, they are generally not accurate enough A collet directly in the quill, or a collet chuck would be preferable.
 
Why ?
 
Whatever method of holding the DTI on an offset rod arrangement in the spindle to measure the misaligment of the spindle axis to the table will not affect the result - the attachment arm is clamped in the spindle regardless.
 
Don't run the DTI directly against the table top, but interpose a ground block between the two. This way the DTI doesn't rattle over the Tee slots - position the DTI & carefully slide the ground block on the table top under the plunger (set the DTI to give around half a dial rotation only so the block slides in easily). I use a roller from a large roller bearing 1/18" dia. x 1 1/8" long - with nice radiused corners it slides in gently & doesn't knock the DTI - but a slip gauge or ground parallel will do just as well. Take the reading, slide the block out, rotate the DTI & repeat. Always re-ckeck your intial position to make sure the DTI han't been knocked. A small mirror makes taking the rearmost reading easier - but be wary of getting the sign wrong !
 

Thread: degreasing
12/09/2011 13:32:18
DEB Janitol Rapide diluted around 4:1 with water.
 
Apply witha trigger squirty bottle & agitate with a stiff brush. Re-apply as required.
 
As this is a caustic product, wear gloves & eye protection. I generally wipe off & dry with paper towels.
 
This works very well on coolant residues - at my previous employment (CNC machine tool rebuild & retrofit) we went almost exclusively to water base caustic cleaning solutions as they worked more quickly & more effieciently than solvents & didn't cause much paint damage. Currently using the DEB product to clean machines bought at auction before starting to use them in production (machining exclusively graphite - sticky, oil surfaces attract the dust).
 
Caustic multi-surface kitchen cleaners probably work as well & available in ready-to-use bottles from supermarkets - I generally have a bottle of Mr Muscle glass cleaner in the office for cleaning monitors etc. and it is effective when used for other small cleaning small jobs. A bit expensive for the bigger machines, though.
 
Be wary of gunwash - nasty stuff, gets into your system through your skin even when wearing gloves. Also highly inflammable with a low flashpoint. Meant for cleaning painting equipment & best reserved for that IMHO.
Thread: Content
06/09/2011 13:15:38
I can only put in what I have.

Previous editors were a bit more active in providing content for MEW - and it was more interesting as a result.

Regarding advertising, I will talk to the management and see if we can raise the price of each magazine by £2 and drop 50% of the advertising.
I am sure everyone would be happy with that.
 
Go back to 6 issues a year, with each issue having twice the current editorial content - like it used to be ! A side effect would be more editorial time available to generate content when none was forthcoming.
 
If the price went up to cover the extra production cost, this would still be better VFM than the current arrangement.
 
£0.02
05/09/2011 20:06:14
Furthermore, I would be reasonably sure that David, like the majority of editors, has a strict advertisement/editorial ratio dictated to him by the company's bean counters, and there's nothing he can do about that!


Certainly magazines are commercial enterprises & rely upon advertising to be profitable. But there has to be a balance between editorial content & relevant advertising. For my part, I feel that balance has gone too far in the wrong direction - too little editorial, too much largely irrelevant (to my mind) advertising. If I wanted to be exposed to products aimed at the model (or full sized) railway enthusiasts, I would purchase Model Engineer or other railway oriented magazine. The current editor appears to think that all MEW readers must be steam or railway enthusiasts also - not applicable in my workshop ! I stopped taking ME after MEW came out, as ME without the workshop bits was too steam & railway orientated to be of much interest.
 
The content has also, for me, been lacking of late. I realise that you cannot please all of the readership all of the time and, having taken all but 2 or 3 of the magzines since it's inception, should expect some repetition and items outside my particular areas of interest. But it would be more of an incentive to keep subscribing to have an occasional article that did ! Increasingly I have felt that the editorial bit was just something to be filled up - while a good picture can be worth a thousand words, several poor (poor as in adding nothing to the article, not necessarily as in out of focus etc.) pictures are just padding.

It may be the current editor, may be the current management or a maybe a combination of the two - the end result is that this ex-subscriber felt that the current incarnation of MEW is not sufficiently engaging to carry on subscribing.


05/09/2011 07:56:21
Just goes to show that the "You can please some of the people all of the time etc. " statement still holds true.
 
I cancelled my MEW subscription on Friday after receiving Issue 181, due to sustained dissatisfaction with the quantity & quality of content. This was brought to a head when my wife passed me Issue 180 with the comment "that's a thin issue" - subsequent investigation revealed less than half the pages were "content", with the rest being (frequently un-related) advertising, "advertorials" & the incessant pushing of Magicalia exhibitions, offers etc.
 
The move from 6 to 13 issues has had a detrimental effect on the quality of the magazine from my viewpoint. The comments from the Editor on this forum & in the magazine don't give me any hope that the current situation will change in the foreseeable future, so after subscribing from very early in the magazines life it is time to quit. I just missed the DD being taken out, so will get the next 3 issues - if things take a dramatic turn for the better I may reconsider, but I rather doubt that will happen.
 
£0.02
 
Nigel B.
Thread: Chuck Dismantle
19/08/2011 13:41:52

The 'DE Whiton' company did not mean it to come apart.

I rather doubt that - depending on what it is used for, cleaning of any chuck can be a regular occurence. I would not expect to have to dispose of a chuck just because it wanted cleaning !
I would try the following -
 
Place a stout piece of reasonably flat timber on a solid surface.
Firmly "rap" the chuck (rear face down) squarely onto the timber.
 
I would expect the inner section to move until the clearance from the rebate was taken up - this may provide a split line accessible though the centre that a drift will fit in. If not, set a couple of pieces of wood to effectively increase the depth of the rear rebate & "rap" again until the centre section drops clear.
 
This method has worked for me in the past with 3 jaw chucks.
 
In a previous employment, this was the method employed to remove the interference fit front bearing from large lathe spindles (large as in 16"- 24" + bore bearings). These fitted up to a shoulder & few manufacturers provided holes for drifts to remove the bearings. A long bar was bolted across the front of the spindle nose, the spindle stood on the opposite end on an old sleeper - loosely suspended from the crane in case it slipped or toppled - and was "bumped" by 2 people on the bar onto the sleeper. The bearing would (slowly !) work it's way off with no damage to the spindle. The replacement bearing would be heated to expand it & just slipped into place.
 
1st post here after lurking for a while !
 
Regards,
 
Nigel B.
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