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Thread: Changing the motor in Drill press |
10/01/2023 14:40:20 |
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/01/2023 10:37:53:
Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 07:23:03:
This is what i am thinking about VFD wiring . Any thoughts most welcome. Thanks
I vote for Plan A. The problem with the relay is it's unnecessary (I think), and adds a potential source of trouble. Either the relay fails, stopping the VFD, or the contacts stick, failing to stop the VFD in an emergency. I see relays as useful for providing isolation, not needed here, and/or, allowing small switches to operate a big switch that has to manage a lot of power. VFD control switching is electronic, typically 12 or 5V at a few milliamperes, making relays superfluous. A point about jargon may help. Folk with a background in signal switching mostly call these devices "relays". Those with a background in power switching usually call them "contactors". The hard part of setting up a VFD is usually configuring it, rather than the wiring. Inside the box is a mass of sophisticated functionality, which the user can use to adjust dozens of factors like logic sense and voltages, whether or not a pendant is used. They can also be parametrised to adjust soft-start characteristics, optimised to suit a particular motor, or support advance motor control features. Manuals can run to hundreds of pages of gobbledygook. Most are configured with a plug-in calculator like device, others with a computer interface. When VFDs first appeared, they were high-end devices sold to industry, who either had them pre-programmed to a specification, or sent someone on a training course. The manuals at this stage were for expert reference, not simple How To Guides. The full manual of a VFD is still intimidating, but the good news is that most ordinary VFDs now work out of the box. They come sensibly pre-configured, and are likely to 'just work'. And if tweaks are necessary, they're likely to be straightforward, and explained in a much simplified get you started guide. There's a high chance of success, only risk being forced into the deep manual because the defaults are unsuitable. One fairly common problem is the chap who accidentally changes an important setting due to inexperience, and can only fix it by understanding a difficult manual! Another is buying second-hand and finding nothing works because the previous owner specially configured it, and there's no manual. Last case is buying a sooper-dooper high-end VFD, and discovering it assumes installers are fully trained, must be configured from scratch, and the manual is an inch thick... Dave
Hi Dave, one question , what happens in case of power failure during operation. When the power comes back, will the VFD power the motor from the pre power failure setup. Or, should VFD be switched on again to run the motor?
Andrew
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10/01/2023 14:36:33 |
I appreciate all your inputs and learning a lot as I prod along. Andrew. |
10/01/2023 14:30:07 |
Posted by Ian P on 10/01/2023 10:13:22:
There have been a few mentions in this thread regarding the unsuitability of a drilling machine for milling purposes. The OP made no mention of wanting to use the drill for milling purposes, he just asked a straightforward question about changing a motor. I think that all that is happening now is that the OP will get more and more confused. Ian P Correct. Thanks Ian I never wanted to convert my drill press to a milling machine. If I was not clear about that, sorry for that. All I wanted a variable speed control for ease of use. Period! Andrew
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10/01/2023 07:55:07 |
Hi Jeff. Thanks for your input. Some wise advice there . However my situation is that I operate in a single car garage and there is absolutely maxed out with no space for any metal working machines . So, I intend to build a large shed in the back yard ( kids are growing up fast) and make that into a metal working shop. Currently I don’t have the budget for that , given the cost of timber have soared . That’s why I am planning to make this drill press modification. Well, enthusiasm may die down and I may revert to following your advice . Let’s see ! 😖 |
10/01/2023 07:23:03 |
This is what i am thinking about VFD wiring . Any thoughts most welcome. Thanks
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10/01/2023 06:48:57 |
Posted by Robert Atkinson 2 on 07/01/2023 16:58:33:
To answer the original question, Generally when choosing a motor for use with a VFD it should be 4 or 6 pole. These provide much quieter and smoother running than a 2 pole. There is no advantage in the higher basic speed of a 2 pole motor, you just need more mechanical reduction and that is lossy. Robert G8RPI. Thank you for that clarification! |
10/01/2023 06:44:59 |
I measured the shaft of the existing motor with a digital calliper and it read about 18.90mm . So I guess it’s a 19mm shaft . I don’t know if it’s a 3/4inch shaft. It may very well be an imperial shaft . After removing the current pully off the motor shaft and I will see if I can drive into the 19mm shaft of the new motor carefully . If there is a problem , I will order a new 19mm ID pully (May be with only 2 steps and fit that one into the new shaft. BTW , I haven’t bought any materials yet. Just gathering knowledge and information ! It will be done soon. Sure I will post some photos! cheers |
10/01/2023 06:37:24 |
Lot of valuable knowledge shared in the above posts. Important points are taken. When I get to doing the job, I will remember them . I have also shortlisted the TEC motor with identical body and mounting spec to my existing motor. have shortlisted a few VFD under £100 in Amazon. my plan is to control the “on-off’ externally and keep the speed control on the VFD . Planing to mount the VFD in the side of the machine and a small control box at the font . So the control box will have ON OFF E-STOP, & F/R switch .
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09/01/2023 21:14:58 |
Hello JH The current configuration is 19mm shaft and 6mm keyway single phase motor. |
09/01/2023 21:07:46 |
Thanks all for you input. my machine is a floor standing Jet JDP 17 Model.
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07/01/2023 09:00:55 |
Hello I am new to this forum and a complete novice when it comes to engineering stuff. I have been a hobby woodworker and slowly wanting to get into machining work. Been looking at lathes and mills in YouTube and getting some idea. I own some wood working machines and i want to modify my drill press. I want to change the motor in my drill press to a 3 phase motor and add a VFD for speed control. Should i chose a 2 pole or 4 pole motor? I understand the speed difference, My thoughts are, I want to remove the middle pulley in the drill press and connect the motor pulley to the spindle pulley directly and control the speed with VFD. The pulley ratio is going to be different became of the arrangement that exists already. I hope you are about to understand my rambling. Any thoughts and advice would be much appreciated. Thanks. Andy
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