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Thread: Making a pinion with a fly cutter
19/09/2020 19:02:46
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 19/09/2020 18:47:45:

One chap I know has moved to fly-cutting all his wheels and pinions, but he also makes the cutters from HSS.

Michael that is interesting. I use an intermediate HSS cutter to 'hogg out' but this is just a simple pointed type. How does he get the radius on the HSS as I was told it isn't machinable on the Sherline apart from grinding? You may well have a point on silver steel being variable, I am pretty sure I am hardening it correctly but the tip does not hold up for long. I note on the clock forum another person following the same method as I has had the same issue with the nib disappearing. The real positive when you struggle is that hopefully you learn. In this case a lot of struggling and plenty of learning.

Chris

19/09/2020 18:37:45
Posted by Bob Stevenson on 19/09/2020 16:58:26:

When I made my forst clock the tutor who is now quite a close friend) imparted his interest in how the "old time" clockmakera went about their craft. He showed several parts from very old clocks that displayed the evidence of how they had been marked out and then fashioned using the very basic tools of the 17th & 18th centuries....

.......Thus it came to pass (the biblical style is not an accident!) that of the 4 pinions in my first clock one is completely made by hand. The blank pinion was held in the vice and a hacksaw used to cut the channels between the leaves, then a succession of files, and finally wooden pegs were used to shape the final profiles. A piece of brass clock wheel of same module was used throughout as a 'guage' for the work.

EDIT; I should add that I don't use fly cutters to make pionions currently....I either use Thornton cutters (I'm not an enthusiast!) when in the EFHC workshop but prefer to cut them by planing using the topslide of my smaller lathe.

Edited By Bob Stevenson on 19/09/2020 17:06:57

Bob, I have learned that I can make a pinion hopefully next time a whole lot easier than this one. I have heard of using the lathe and will look into it. I also found your remarks on the old boys making pinions interesting. Often there are still tricks of the trade you can learn from. Also there must be many tricks of the trade kept quiet for fear of ridicule but nonetheless work. I am beginning to get a few of my own.

Chris

Thread: Is this doable?
19/09/2020 18:23:48
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 17/09/2020 14:53:33:

No problem buying 1mm end-mills if you want to have a go but they're easily broken.

Tricky to use because home machines are rarely fast enough : a 1mm end-mill should be run at 10,000 rpm or faster. 50000rpm would be good!

When feed rate exceeds cutting speed, the work snaps the cutter. And it's difficult to keep the feed-rate low enough to suit a 1mm end-mill spinning at only 3000 rpm. Low rpm on small cutters and drills make them sensitive to any hint of operator clumsiness.

At 10000+ rpm, the end-mill cuts fast enough for the feed-rate to become manageable, otherwise develop a delicate touch! Worth looking at the spindle motors used for engraving machines and CNC if a lot of small diameter work is planned 12000rpm seems typical, faster the better.

I'd make the occasional tool described it by drilling a 1mm hole and grinding off as the other posts say.

When the cutter is made, note that it too will work best at high rpm. If finish is poor, try speeding up and/or reducing feed-rate.

Don't have much experience of delicate cutting work like this. Much breaking, bending and poor finish when I try. More practice might fix my problems. Can you report back how your experiment works out? I might learn summat!

Dave

Useful to me Dave as yet I was not aware different speed requirements per size end mill. Something else for me to learn.

Chris

Thread: Making a pinion with a fly cutter
19/09/2020 16:12:53

Hi Guys,

After extensive time and effort I can machine on my Sherline mill a pinion with my home made cutter, the cutter made from silver steel then hardened and tempered.

The big but is it is very time consuming easily prone to error, and unless you use a slitting saw first the chances are your cutter will wear out half way...and this was all on EN1A. This method is supposed to work on silver steel, in theory it does as it is possible but my experience to date is when it comes to making a pinion home made cutters may not be the best route. in fact I would go pinion wire, commercial cutter then home made cutter in that order.

Can you clock guys who have tried this give your experience on making a pinion.

Regards

Chris

Thread: Are you too getting wound up?
18/09/2020 21:26:44
Posted by Michael Gilligan on 18/09/2020 21:21:28:

There was quite a long discussion recently, about Rizla papers ...

I would suggest that you invest in a packet, and practice using them as a safe contact when positioning the tool

... they get whisked away by the rotating cutter.

They are very close to one thou’ thick ... so it’s easy [and usually quite adequate] to dial-in an extra 0.001”

MichaelG.

Thanks Michael, yes rizlas might well be the answer.

Chris

18/09/2020 21:24:25
Posted by JasonB on 18/09/2020 21:00:04:

Ok to touch off against the work and set the handwheel dial or note the reading if a fixed dial BUT move cutter away from work before starting.

Thanks Jason, backlash introduces error but you are obviously right . I guess the secret is to get as closs aspossible without actually touching.

Chris

18/09/2020 20:52:44

Hi Guys,

When starting my Sherline mill with the mill end against the stock in the vice it will often lift the stock as soon as i start the mill in this position.

Any remedies, baring in mind putting the mill end against the stock is often a good idea to count turning of hand wheel.

Regards

Chris

Thread: Best way to remember Mill movements when turning hand wheels
17/09/2020 19:32:11
Posted by Clive Foster on 17/09/2020 18:08:36:

The clockwise / anti-clockwise thing always defeated me at exactly the most disastrous moment!

What works for me is to think in terms of work movement under the tool. Bit like the right hand - left hand lathe tool thing.

Clive

I like this Clive, thanks and thanks to all for posting

Chris

Thread: Is this doable?
17/09/2020 11:21:11

Hi Guys,

I am thinking of making a cutter for experimental reasons. The issue is the cutter has to be made from silver steel which after machining is hardened and tempered. But the tip of the cutter is reduced to 2mm wide and a 1mm half diameter milled into it. The 1mm is the issue I think but as I don't have a 1mm yet don't know so am asking. The depth of metal at the tip will be roughly 3mm.

The cutter is designed to round edges on steel...whether it will work or not don't worry about that as it is as I said an experiment. But can I mill the 1mm half Dia, if not is there an alternative way.

Regards

Chrispinion rounder.jpg

Thread: Best way to remember Mill movements when turning hand wheels
16/09/2020 18:52:58

Hi Guys,

Is there any easy to remember way of knowing if I turn the respective hand wheels on a Mill's X, Y & Z axis the stock moves right or left or the Z axis goes up or down etc.

It is all to easy to turn a wheel the wrong way. If there is any thing fine else I will just make a table to glance at should I have a senior moment.

Chris

Thread: Any recommendations for shed air compressor
15/09/2020 18:39:00

It appears the use of compressed air in a workshop has a divided following. If we all agreed I would worry.

Certainly blowing metal into an operatives face is stupid. But others are arguing it's paranoia not to use air to clean a machine. My guess is there are viable uses and stupid uses. Just use common sense is the stance I am most comfortable with. I note Sandvik suggest cleaning insert seats with air....there must be many uses, but wear goggles.

Chris

15/09/2020 15:13:33

Your posts have been a great help...thank you.

What I personally have taken on board from the posts or implications from the posts is:

1: Where safety goggles when using

2: For my requirements the Bambi seems appropriate, I will buy as I find one.

Regards to all

Chris

Thread: Can you reuse old treated Silver steel
15/09/2020 09:29:12

Hi Guys,

This is a somewhat crude question but for me worthy to ask as you sometimes get a suprise answer.

I am practicing making pinions at the moment and think I have more or less got it. However my cutter that I made from silver steel  is not good enough in terms of profile.

So as I hardened then tempered it are there any weakening implications to annealing again then milling then treating (hardening and tempering) again.

Chris

Edited By Chris TickTock on 15/09/2020 09:30:22

Thread: Any recommendations for shed air compressor
14/09/2020 22:02:49

Hi Guys,

This is one of those tools sometimes I could do with for blowing out bits of crud from tools etc.

Anyone recommend a small, quiet compressor for occasional use

Chris

Thread: What rivet to use to join aluminium?
12/09/2020 18:16:14
Posted by Howard Lewis on 12/09/2020 13:24:24:

And after a while with scratches, dings and splashes will it really matter?

Howard

Howard,

Great minds think alike, that is what my Decorating business prepares our customers with before we start (Ha Ha!)

Chris

11/09/2020 21:18:24

Thanks for posting everyone . So it's a choice between threading or aluminium rivets.

Regards to all

Chris

11/09/2020 18:27:24

Hi Guys,

I need to join a piece of 1/4 inch thick aluminium to a 1/8th thick piece. I have no special welder. Also I do not want to risk bonding the pieces together as if it fails as it will be used on my mill it could be a hazard. Therefore solid rivets are my route, blots being ugly. I have gone for the solid countersunk type for looks. However what material in terms of the rivets is acceptable. The pieces are just a shield with no stress on them.

is steel, aluminium or brass my best bet?

I have read galvanic reaction( corrosion) will / could occur with steel but is this applicable to brass and in any case is this more of a theoretical consideration than practical.

Chris

Thread: What is the reason why we may lock y axis on Sherline mill?
10/09/2020 18:47:38
Posted by Steve Crow on 10/09/2020 18:19:44:

Chris, the first thing I did when I got my Sherline mill was to make brass locks with nice handles for x and y axis.

I made x,y, tailstock and depth-stop locks for the lathe when I got that a few years before.

They work so much better than the original set up and really improve work flow.

I also made brass handles for all dials etc. Not really necessary but look and feel superior to plastic.

I'll take some photos when I get a chance if you're interested.

Steve

Would really appreciate some photos Steve..thanks.

Chris

10/09/2020 18:15:47
Posted by JasonB on 10/09/2020 16:26:20:

Chris, the three of us have said the main reason to lock an axis is to stiffen up the machine, your handwheel lock won't do that only prevent user error so you won't be getting the best out of the mill.

I've never seen a mill or lathe with a locking handwheel but have seen many with locking or clamping to the actual ways which must say something.

Yes I totally get that. The existing Y axis locking screw does tighten the mill. It stops according to some users movement from another machinists forum vibration but still makes turning the hand wheel too easy. So my thinking is if the existing hand wheel takes care off the vibration movement then the barrier to operator error is touching a wrong wheel may well be enough. My initial thinking was as you suggest of clamping the table but there still is likely to be a degree of take up of  movement so I wonder if that was going a tad too far.

Chris

Edited By Chris TickTock on 10/09/2020 18:19:15

10/09/2020 16:19:00
Posted by JasonB on 10/09/2020 15:32:32:
Posted by Chris TickTock on 10/09/2020 14:46:29:

I may go for a simple guard combined with a grip on the wheel. still thinking....

Chris

Chris you will do better to find an alternative means to lock the actual ways, by their very nature some clearance is needed so that the table can move and this will also make the set up less rigid so lock it down at source. Locking the handwheel will not eliminate the gap needed for free movement and will not eliminate movement due to backlash in the screw/nut but may only stop accidental movement of the handwheel..

Jason, it is difficult to stop absolutely any movement (I think that's what your saying), yes i agree. But if the hand wheel is moved clock wise and locked at that point by some means and the hand wheel is obstructed from accidental touching it should suffice. If the operator accidentally moves the hand wheel on the Sherline Mill it exerts a fair degree of force and any friction stop is likely to hamper movement but fail.

Chris

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