Member postings for Askild Antonsen

I have forwarded my article in pdf to editor Neil Wyatt to have it presentet in this tread. I'm looking forward to seeing the article here too.

@ Cris Trice

I'm not shure if Webster, Wikipedia or other internett sources are correct in this case? That's why I'm investigating into this question. I beleive one has to go behind the digital wall to se int the sources and learn from them what is correct.

@Peter Lejune

It's most interesting what you have to tell. I have looked into the history and found references to Mr. Turpin stating EN is for England. With your statement I'm more confused than ever. It isn't easy to get a grip of the history when one and the same source is refered to have said to opposing things on the same topic.

@all

I haven't been looking into the acronym BREN. I am therefore not able to paricipate in the discussion on the interpretation or meaning of this. all I can say is that it's not possible to draw a siple line connecting the two even if they are verry similar.

I have written an article on the STEN acronym, but it's in pdf format. I cant find a way to upload this to this forum. Can anyone help me out here?

First of all thanks for such nice words Rod. I have looked into all the references I could find and also communicated with people at the apprentice organisation i Enfield. Even in Enfield they agree. Enfield is for England!

No reference older than 1949 describes that EN is for Enfield. It's the older references that states EN for England. Even the inventer him self, who was also an exelent model engineer and member of this verry fraternity his entire life who says En is for England.

I myself has also looked to the internett for answers. A lot of sites states EN for Enfield, but they don't have any references to where they have this from. They are all repeating this missinterpretation.

I have written an article on the subject (in Norwegian) wich are to be published in late march. I am about to translate this to english and I promise I wil post i here too.

Lastly I find it most interesting that in this forum of all there are stil people not suoopring one of your own inventor and his wn description that EN is for Enland. It realy is

(The argument on this forum is, by the ay, exactly the same as we had in a norwegian forum. People stating this and that from the internet without any check og the sources to verify, or falsify, the information the nett sugests is the truth. I guess this is a possibility to learn for us all. The internett doesn't have all the answers and isn't always right.)

This article isn't the only source stating this. Col Shepherd is also cited stating the same ting. Both oraly and in writing. And this article is the oldest reference and the one closest to Mr. Turpin himself. The oldest Enfield description is in a book by Gen. maj. Hay in 1949. In adition RSAF Enfield did not invent the Sten as they did with the Bren. That's also an argument for not namin it after the factory. As I said, I'm convinced EN is for England

II have investigated the sources stating EN for Enfiled. Noke is older than 1949. I have also made an inquiry to the RSAF Enfield apprentices assosiacion in Enfiled. They too confirm RN is for England, not Enfield. I'm convinced, but I'm not intereseted in further argument concerning this in this forum. I'm just finished arguing the same theme in a Norwegian facebok group. Wich, in the first place is why I started looking into this.

I once again send my regards to you for your help looking up the source I was looking for. Thank you verry mucg for your assistance!!!

I'm verry impressed with the quick responce to my query. @Ady1 and @Rod provided me with what I was looking for. Thank you for all your help on this matter.

And the answer is: EN is for England. In Turpins own words from June 1943.

Exactly Nick. EN in BREN is for Enfield, but it exists documentation for Shepherd and Turpin that EN in STEN is for England. Now I try finding documentation for this. Amongst others, I'm looking for this 1943 article.

This is what I'm trying to find out. I do belive Mr. Turpin states EN is for England in det article mentioned.

Engineering friends!

I am a gunsmith and former curator arms and armour at the Norwegian Armed Forces Museum i Oslo.

At the moment I'm doing a research trying to establish how the acronym STEN in Sten gun is to be interpreted. S is for Shepherd and T is for Turpin. EN is interpreted Enfiled or England.

The inventor og the gun, senior draughtsman Harold J. Turpin RSAF Enfield, was a dedicatd model engineer who wrote articles in model engineer magazine in the inter war years. In june 1943, he was interviewed anonymously about the invention of the Sten gun. Here he states EN is for England.

In Norway it's not possible getting hold of a copy of the june 43 volume.

My question is if someone amongst you collect back issues og this magazine and are willing to help me out with a pdf of the article from june 1943?

Cordialy

Askild Antonsen

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Edited By JasonB on 26/02/2015 12:23:17